Would you like SNQ to be replaced?

**Kyle** · 15-05-2015, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by welshcake

I disagree. The last time I watched a themed SNQ it was a massive flop and people complained. (btw this was the first and last SNQ I hosted and I did a film quiz)

As an attendant and question editor of this particular quiz I feel I can shed a bit of light on that. The problem was not that it was themed, it was that the questions did not appeal to a wide enough audience and some of them were a little too cryptic. They were perfect questions for a themed pub quiz where time is given for conferring and deliberation within a team but not so great as quick-fires to sole participants whose knowledge on films (particularly those created before they were born!) is sketchy at best. I actually have them on file, so here they are for reference:

I remember the Stuart Little one taking noticeably long for people to figure out. Great question though! Like you said, this was your first quiz. You didn't know the format and you ran with it anyway - this is something that needs to be rectified for future hosts as Ozzinator suggested and better guidelines on hosting need to be given.

Then with the examples you put, I lit would know the answers to 1 of those examples. Not everyone likes the same thing so it's very unfair and I think people would complain more than they do now. Then you have to think of the hosts. What if one person only likes one thing? Like just take me for example. I like what, nothing really. I like Disney things and documentaries and that's pretty much it with me so one week I do a Disney quiz (which you do as an event so really, there is no point in us doing one) then the next week I do a boring as hell documentary quiz. That's me done. Can't do anymore now because I don't know anymore themes and I don't want to host it if I don't know the topic myself because how am I supposed to write questions? Get them from Google? Boring... We do that already.

Those topics are all quite specific, I agree, but there are ways around specificity by writing questions that are quite tenuously linked to the topic that might otherwise fall under another category. As an example, back in 2012 when Shockwave and I hosted an Olympics themed quiz we had questions like the chemical symbols for gold and silver, the capital of Qatar, and how many years there are in an Olympiad -- all Olympic themed in some way but not requiring in-depth knowledge of the subject. The problem of harder or more specific questions can be easily tackled by carrying the theme over a whole week rather than just twenty minutes so that it is in participants' minds and they might pick up some of the answers along the way. Holiday-themed quizzes are an example of how this works.

And just to add something to the discussion on additional events, there was an idea floating around last year about a mario kart/race that could begin in hxhd and change weekly that might fill up the rest of the time. A lot like the weekly race Inkwell had, except vetted more heavily to make it much fairer. Wired is very useful these days and there are lots of randomizers (banzais and random teleports) that could be put into place to ensure that first in =/= first out.

welshcake · 15-05-2015, 02:30 PM

No I agree my hosting skills were pants and then the way you look at the themes thing, I do agree. I wrote some smashing 2014 round up questions at the beginning of the year but then thinking about it, how many times could you do that sort of theme? There is a limited amount of holiday themed things you can do before we are back to the general knowledge and 'who is the current gm of habbox' questions.

but then taking all that away, like I said, the manager hates it and the three seniors hate it. When this was brought up in the senior+ forums before I think I was like the only one defending it at the time. After seeing all the staff members host it then complain about it in the staff chat after it and also be really hurt because of the way people reacted to them when they hosted it, I have changed how I feel about it.

But yes NO ONE WANTS TO HOST IT we can't host it without anyone to actually host it. It needs to be changed or something needs to take its place or we need staff who want to host it but that is probably harder to get than to create a new event

Kardan · 15-05-2015, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by dbgtz

In all honesty when you talk about bad hosting, it seems more like you're using it as an excuse than it actually being bad hosting. Surprisingly, it's not always the hosts fault when something messes up and the people attending can be pretty bad sometimes that they will just complain about anything.

I don't see the issue with the desert one. If it comes up that much people should have learnt the answer by now and to SNQ shouldn't just be about fitting into what people are comfortable with. I like to throw in a few questions I know people won't know here and there as it means they might actually learn something. Plus it's hard to come up with something most people/everyone will probably know 20 times a week.

I remember last year some time, SNQ hosts would host an event after the quiz but this doesn't tend to happen as there isn't really an area suitable to host anything.

So whose fault would it be then? Surely the host has a responsibility to make sure the answers to the questions they are reading are correct? And the host has a responsibility to check you got the answer correct first?

The issue with the desert one is that Sahara is wrong. This is what I'm on about. Hosts don't check answers and it causes issues.

**dbgtz** · 15-05-2015, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kardan

So whose fault would it be then? Surely the host has a responsibility to make sure the answers to the questions they are reading are correct? And the host has a responsibility to check you got the answer correct first?

The issue with the desert one is that Sahara is wrong. This is what I'm on about. Hosts don't check answers and it causes issues.

I'm not saying the host is blameless, but sometimes people like to go on about what is a minor issue.

Oh right I thought you meant the players would get it wrong. I can't say I've seen a question like that.

**FlyingJesus** · 15-05-2015, 03:33 PM

I think the true problem with HxHD is that there are not enough blue man tube man furni due to Absently fixing the vote while drunk

**Kyle** · 15-05-2015, 03:55 PM

I'm always a bit bewildered when I see comments about hosts not wanting to do it because of how they're treated by event-goers because whenever I've been there (aside from a few times in about 100) it's gone off without a hitch. It seems that some form of confirmation bias is at least a little bit at play here. You're all banging on about everybody moaning and so come to expect it, and when it happens (even if it's very minor or said jokingly) that is what is held onto from the experience.

Ideally what needs to happen is for the manager and seniors to get behind the event by fixing any issues that are currently preventing them from enjoying it. Whether SNQ should continue isn't down to the participants, it's down to the hosts, and if they don't want to host it we need to figure out why and what, if anything, might make them want to.

Empired · 31-05-2015, 11:09 AM

Any advancements in this area or was this let go? Pretty much everyone agreed that SNQ needs changing dramatically when it comes to prizes (easy to fix), hosting style, and trying to include new members (to name a few).

So @dbgtz; @Absently; and anyone else who has a say in this sort of thing, you've had two weeks to get ideas in place (I wouldn't expect them to be put into practice yet but you've had more than enough time to come up with and discuss different options for the way forward), so what have you come up with?

wixard · 31-05-2015, 12:27 PM

PUB QUIZ PUB QUIZ lets do a pub quiz

**Absently** · 31-05-2015, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Empired

Any advancements in this area or was this let go? Pretty much everyone agreed that SNQ needs changing dramatically when it comes to prizes (easy to fix), hosting style, and trying to include new members (to name a few).

So @dbgtz; @Absently; and anyone else who has a say in this sort of thing, you've had two weeks to get ideas in place (I wouldn't expect them to be put into practice yet but you've had more than enough time to come up with and discuss different options for the way forward), so what have you come up with?

There is a thread in management asking about staff whether they'd like to participate in our new idea, you should check there

Empired · 31-05-2015, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Absently

There is a thread in management asking about staff whether they'd like to participate in our new idea, you should check there

Brill. Just wanted to make sure the idea hadn't been dropped!

The worst thing about being a member of the community but not being staff was always that you felt like you were left out of anything that ever happened. It's like when people say something is happening "behind the scenes" you just feel like you're being fobbed off because there are no visible changes to you. To non-staff it really does seem like absolutely nothing is happening. Super frustrating

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