US Supreme Court rules gay marriage is legal nationwide

[Chippiewill]

The comparison between gay marriage though and interracial marriage is absurd, and many blacks (who are among the biggest opponents of gay marriage in America as a demographic group) reject that comparison too. The banning of interracial marriages was an absurd law that discriminated against people for something that they could not help: marriage laws on the other hand never discriminated against gay people just gay people could only get married if to a woman - like everybody else. In other words, it wasn't a discriminatory law standing in the way but the very definition of the concept itself.

A lot of black Americans can't stand having their skin colour compared with a behaviour.

Read again Dan, interracial marriage, not black marriage. Blacks could get married to anyone of the same skin colour just as much as anyone else - it wasn't discriminatory by your definition.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Read again Dan, interracial marriage, not black marriage. Blacks could get married to anyone of the same skin colour just as much as anyone else - it wasn't discriminatory by your definition.

That's what I meant.

Black man + white woman = marriage aka union between a man and a woman. A law preventing this purely on skin tone was a civil liberty issue.

Man + man = marriage.... well that's different. By that you're demanding to change the definition of marriage, and that is a public issue not a court issue.

[Chippiewill]

That's what I meant.

Black man + white woman = marriage aka union between a man and a woman. A law preventing this purely on skin tone was a civil liberty issue.

Man + man = marriage.... well that's different. By that you're demanding to change the definition of marriage, and that is a public issue not a court issue.

Yes, but back then the definition of marriage was a union between a man and a woman of the same race - this was ruled unconstitutional and became (In the strictest form) union between a man and a woman. Today this was again ruled unconstitutional and became union between two people.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes, but back then the definition of marriage was a union between a man and a woman of the same race - this was ruled unconstitutional and became (In the strictest form) union between a man and a woman. Today this was again ruled unconstitutional and became union between two people.

It 'changed' aka was corrected as the colour of your skin makes no difference. Homosexual relations on the other hand are a behaviour.

And all this isn't my opinion either I just find it interesting if these same arguments would be coming from liberals had say a federal-level enactment on the definition of marriage had forced liberal states like California and New York to cease permitting gay marriage. I can imagine the outrage.

[Chippiewill]

It 'changed' aka was corrected as the colour of your skin makes no difference. Homosexual relations on the other hand are a behaviour.

That's some serious ******* mental gymnastics you're going through there Dan. Homosexual relations make no difference.

I just find it interesting if these same arguments would be coming from liberals had say a federal-level enactment on the definition of marriage had forced liberal states like California and New York to cease permitting gay marriage. I can imagine the outrage.

You mean the argument that it's unconstitutional? I'd still be making the same argument.

[The Don]

It 'changed' aka was corrected as the colour of your skin makes no difference. Homosexual relations on the other hand are a behaviour.

And all this isn't my opinion either I just find it interesting if these same arguments would be coming from liberals had say a federal-level enactment on the definition of marriage had forced liberal states like California and New York to cease permitting gay marriage. I can imagine the outrage.

Marrying people of a different gender is as much of a behaviour as is marrying people of a different race.

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That's some serious ******* mental gymnastics you're going through there Dan. Homosexual relations make no difference.

You mean the argument that it's unconstitutional? I'd still be making the same argument.

Hilarious, I typed a comment about Dan's talent for performing mental gymnastics but deleted it, glad someone else mentioned it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That's some serious ******* mental gymnastics you're going through there Dan. Homosexual relations make no difference.

It's a common argument used, again this isn't necessarily my view (mine is in flux) but I do see the logic behind it.

You mean the argument that it's unconstitutional? I'd still be making the same argument.

I mean had the US Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage was unconstitutional and sided with say a Republican Congress which wanted to ban it nationwide, if California and other liberal states were then forced to ban it and define marriage as between one man and one woman then how would all those arguing for federal involvement take it? Well it's the same but vice versa today with states like Alabama.

Marrying people of a different gender is as much of a behaviour as is marrying people of a different race.

Not so, the colour of my skin to yours doesn't change our relations/make us different. Homosexual behaviour to heterosexual behaviour is.

[Chippiewill]

Not so, the colour of my skin to yours doesn't change our relations/make us different. Homosexual behaviour to heterosexual behaviour is.

Way back in the 60s people did think it made relations different.

[FlyingJesus]

The banning of interracial marriages was an absurd law that discriminated against people for something that they could not help: marriage laws on the other hand never discriminated against gay people just gay people could only get married if to a woman - like everybody else.

By that same logic black people in the 50s COULD just marry other people of their own colour - like everybody else. You're not making an argument that works here

[Cabl]

Was about time! Freedom for love any sex you want. But this might bring war as not everyone is okay with this world wide.

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