Are paedophiles who don't act on their feelings still in the wrong?

[FlyingJesus]

That would be a direct threat, which is illegal

[Becca]

we all have random thoughts in our head that's probably illegal like wow i'm gonna actually murder flyingjesus because he has autism, but that's not illegal? i reckon if someone was to have a thought like that and went to seek help professionally to aid the thoughts they are 100% not in the wrong

[FlyingJesus]

Good thing -repping isn't illegal ;|||||||||||||||||||||||| no autism here please don't try to date me

[Kyle]

But what if (Said out loud)

"I'm going to rob a house"

"I'm going to fiddle a kiddy"

Doesn't sound right

neither of those sound right

[lRhyss]

neither of those sound right

Yeah but the first one sounds more acceptable haha

[Empired]

neither of those sound right

you're right but i see what rhyss means about it never being ok to joke about child abuse. like even when you're playing online games with those terrifying guys who only ever leave their bedrooms to go to the hospital after asthma attacks they'll scream all sorts of abuse at you about your mum or whatever but child abuse jokes would still fall completely flat.

[Darien]

The real question is --

"but what about the adult who are sexually attracted to minors who never act on their feelings?"

What do you consider to be "acting on their feelings".

Does that reference they themselves going out, abducting a child or whatever, and performing sexual acts?
Would watching kiddy porn count?

If by act on their feelings you mean SPECIFICALLY going out and grabbing a child.. That's one thing.

However act on their feelings could also mean, as I said, the kiddy porn... Is their attraction wrong? Not necessarily; we don't really know if it is or isn't, because we're not in their minds... That would be like saying "is a mans attraction to a man wrong" -- imo.

HOWEVER; if you take kiddy porn into consideration, which in and of itself encourages those who do the acts "first hand" to continue; would have to say of course... IF they can control themselves, like for instance, a sadomasocit who is attracted to such but does not participate or does not witness.. That's another topic; I'd think.

We can never know what's in another minds, not truly... (yet.. muahaha) So we cannot outright repremand someone who has done nothing. (Assuming they haven't.)

If the topic is more "is it the act of doing it, or the mindset of it; that's wrong" then it would be the act.. Because we cannot necessarily judge the persons mindset; as I've stated previously.

A lot of people believe that "we should just kill them", but where does that stop? Is it pedo? homo? hetero? Who is to say one person is wrong; when another is right... It's all about consentual acts. A child cannot condone; because they do not understand.. Adults, in general, can.

If your answer is "to kill them"; as many believe, then what's to say I don't kill you, or you, or you (whomever these figurative you's are) because you go against what I think.. or what I believe. Where is the line drawn.

Should they seek help? YES
Should we encourage them to seek anonymous help? YES (Anonymous for the fact that as stated above; their lives ARE in danger from those radicals.)

[Jake]

Can i just point out..
That you can get arrested for 'conspiricy of murder' you havnt commited the crime yet you have thought it through. It's sort of the same to some points raised in this thread.

[Darien]

In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. IF those people were conspiring to steal a child; then yes, there may be a case.

/Thinking/ about killing someone; is not conspiracy to murder.

[Reality]

How do you explain that? You're NOT going to know if someone has pedophilia just by looking at them, sending a child to a playgroup is common practice, you can't just presume someone has it without inquest or at least interviews. Like it happens every single day of the year, and happens 24/7 its not like you can't not send a child to a playgroup?!?!?!?! You need to if you have to support them.

Also, if you're "allowing" them to keep quiet about their urges then you're doing something wrong? You should be guiding them to the right places as well as helping them with what they have rather than being like, "hey just keep quiet don't talk about it".

You're never going to be able to stop it or control it, unless that person confesses to it or seeks help much the same with alcoholism, rapists, sex offenders, drug users etc. This has and will always happen in day-to-day life. I'm not saying just continue your life like normal if you do find this happening, but these types of people who have pedophilia need help and direction into what to do about it, not just labeled and pushed to the side.

Also this thing about conspiracy of murder is completely irrelevant as this isn't to with murdering someone its about the intimate and desires and feelings someone has towards a child underage??? You literally cannot arrest someone and imprison them for their feelings, they're still human but their feelings towards people are lets say more "enhanced", under UK legislation and law. However, you can offer and give them help and advice.

How much of that makes sense idk, that's just what was running through my head at this time.

But at the same time as a parent (hypothetically x) wouldn't you be worried about letting your kids near them? By allowing them to keep quiet about their urges we are potentially letting people with paedophilia into schools, playgroups and all sorts of places without anyone ever knowing.