EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'

[Lucy]

Hopefully they find the flight recorders which provide the key facts and details needed to solve the case.

[FlyingJesus]

I have 4 flights in 4 days next week if I don't die none of us will x

That seems excessive are you a Saudi prince or something

Looks like the latest finds are likely to be from the plane this time, they've found "a body part, two seats and one or more items of luggage" in the area they were sweeping. Also most guesses (based on the drop and path of the plane) are that there was no bomb but direct human interference in the cockpit, terrifying stuff

[xxMATTGxx]

Right, bit of an update this evening:

On May 20th 2016 The Aviation Herald received information from three independent channels, that ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages with following content were received from the aircraft:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received

What does the above mean? It suggests some sort of fire on board the aircraft. Caused by what? We don't know. But the above warnings would also suggest whatever it was sending messages about was at the front of the aircraft.

Terrorism? Maybe.
Failure of some sort? Maybe. Especially if the fire started in the avionics bay which is at the front of the aircraft.

Still early days, assuming the ACAR messages above are correct.

[RyRy]

Right, bit of an update this evening:



What does the above mean? It suggests some sort of fire on board the aircraft. Caused by what? We don't know. But the above warnings would also suggest whatever it was sending messages about was at the front of the aircraft.

Terrorism? Maybe.
Failure of some sort? Maybe. Especially if the fire started in the avionics bay which is at the front of the aircraft.

Still early days, assuming the ACAR messages above are correct.

If thats true, why would there be "body parts", rather than bodies that are intact? Would the impact of the crash on the water cause that to happen?

[FlyingJesus]

If thats true, why would there be "body parts", rather than bodies that are intact? Would the impact of the crash on the water cause that to happen?

Absolutely - falling from 37,000 feet isn't a healthy jump to make and when you land on water at high speed it's essentially no different to hitting concrete, so with all the twisted metal flying around a person could easily be pulverised

Usually procedure with smoke in the cockpit would be to put on the masks and make an outbound call, so strange that there was no message to anyone if that's how it happened. Could be that there was a fire/smoke elsewhere in the plane and a crew member got access to the cockpit to tell the pilots and someone else forced their way in along with them... whatever it was it must have been terrifying for everyone involved, such horror

[xxMATTGxx]

If thats true, why would there be "body parts", rather than bodies that are intact? Would the impact of the crash on the water cause that to happen?

Absolutely - falling from 37,000 feet isn't a healthy jump to make and when you land on water at high speed it's essentially no different to hitting concrete, so with all the twisted metal flying around a person could easily be pulverised

Usually procedure with smoke in the cockpit would be to put on the masks and make an outbound call, so strange that there was no message to anyone if that's how it happened. Could be that there was a fire/smoke elsewhere in the plane and a crew member got access to the cockpit to tell the pilots and someone else forced their way in along with them... whatever it was it must have been terrifying for everyone involved, such horror

If the fire was in the avionics bay then things could have started failing very fast indeed. As that's where all the computer systems are that run the aircraft.

[xxMATTGxx]

Looks like the ACARS messages that I posted last night are indeed true/correct. As the media is now reporting the following:

There were smoke alerts inside the cabin of the EgyptAir passenger plane before it crashed in the Mediterranean on Thursday, reports say.

Smoke was detected in the toilet and the aircraft's electrics, just minutes before the signal was lost, according to data published on air industry website the Aviation Herald.

French investigators have confirmed the data, AFP reported.

Source: BBC

[wixard]

So, tragic accident or planned?

what do you guys think

[xxMATTGxx]

So, tragic accident or planned?

what do you guys think

Bit early to tell, but it could be a tragic accident if the fire started due to a fault in some sort of component or wiring that caused a fire. Or on the other hand, it could have been planned to set something on fire in the toilet at that part of the plane which then spread fast to other areas.

Although, Egypt I think it was, was very fast in saying it was more likely to be terrorism than anything else. Even though they still don't have all the facts.

[xxMATTGxx]

Some images have started to be posted which seems to be from the aircraft

[Urgent] Premières photos des débris du vol #EgyptAir #MS804 par l'armée égyptienne pic.twitter.com/wYT87YX2tk

— Flight-Report (@flight_report) May 21, 2016