EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

[lemons]

Today I received a leave leaflet in the post and on the back it said something along the lines of

" think of it this way, imagine if the question on june 23 was 'Should we join the EU?' "

to be honest in its current form I'd vote no!

interesting perspective

[-:Undertaker:-]

Today I received a leave leaflet in the post and on the back it said something along the lines of

" think of it this way, imagine if the question on june 23 was 'Should we join the EU?' "

to be honest in its current form I'd vote no!

interesting perspective

Indeed.

The polling in Norway for example has them 70%+ against joining the EU with only 15% odd wanting to join. I guess life isn't too bad outside as Remain claim.

[The Don]

Because it's a character assassination. They're playing the man and not the ball.

If you watched the ITV Debate you'd have noticed how there were constant snide attacks on Boris from the Remain side whereas he just (sensibly) batted them off and stuck to the topic itself. The Remain side are rattled because despite the wild predictions of World War III, a Great Depression and waves of locusts: it hasn't worked.

I'm glad though they're going down this route because it just shows desperation with 13 days to go. I think a lot of people will see through it.

The poster reads "don't let them gamble with your future", it doesn't attack the character of any of the individuals pictured on it. You haven't got the faintest clue what's going to happen in the result of a leave vote, nor does anyone. Leaving is a gamble, the poster is accurate.

Shall we talk about the misinformation the leave side has been spreading with the 350m figure? I think picturing bojo throwing some dice is the least of the publics concern when they're being told lies.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The poster reads "don't let them gamble with your future", it doesn't attack the character of any of the individuals pictured on it. You haven't got the faintest clue what's going to happen in the result of a leave vote, nor does anyone. Leaving is a gamble, the poster is accurate.

Shall we talk about the misinformation the leave side has been spreading with the 350m figure? I think picturing bojo throwing some dice is the least of the publics concern when they're being told lies.

Of course it's a character attack. You're turning it into the personalities rather than the argument itself and people can see through it.

I could just as easily make a poster with Tony Blair, Nick Clegg and Peter Mandelson rolling a dice and claim the same. I'd rather argue the actual case though.

[The Don]

Today I received a leave leaflet in the post and on the back it said something along the lines of

" think of it this way, imagine if the question on june 23 was 'Should we join the EU?' "

to be honest in its current form I'd vote no!

interesting perspective

It is, but then you have to remember that things here would be way different now if we were never part of the EU so it's flawed to look at it from that perspective. We've got the worlds 5th largest economy through having been part of the EU (and it's predecessors) for the past 50 years, who knows what Britain would look like had we never joined.

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Of course it's a character attack. You're turning it into the personalities rather than the argument itself and people can see through it.

I could just as easily make a poster with Tony Blair, Nick Clegg and Peter Mandelson rolling a dice and claim the same. I'd rather argue the actual case though.

Which part mentions their personalities?

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is, but then you have to remember that things here would be way different now if we were never part of the EU so it's flawed to look at it from that perspective. We've got the worlds 5th largest economy through having been part of the EU (and it's predecessors) for the past 50 years, who knows what Britain would look like had we never joined.

Ohhh we got to be a developed country and Great Power thanks to joining the EU in 1973? There I was thinking we'd been the world's top power for the first half of the 20th century and retaining our spot at the top thanks to our global free market outlook coupled with 1980s economic reforms.

Nothing to do with good educational levels, low corruption, the City of London and being good at business. It was due to the EU lol.

Which part mentions their personalities?

You can't see that poster is a personality attack poster?

It reminds me of the famous Conservative attack poster on Tony Blair in 1997.... which went down like a lead balloon.



Policy not personality please.

[The Don]

Ohhh we got to be a developed country and Great Power thanks to joining the EU in 1973? There I was thinking we'd been the world's top power for the first half of the 20th century and retaining our spot at the top thanks to our global free market outlook coupled with 1980s economic reforms.

Nothing to do with good educational levels, low corruption, the City of London and being good at business. It was due to the EU lol.

Not what I said. You know very well that WW2 crippled us and stripped us of the worlds top power, stop pretending we've still got the empire.

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You can't even answer what a Britain after a leave vote will look like in the future, don't pretend you know what Britain would look like in an alternative history where the past 50-60 years were different.

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You can't see that poster is a personality attack poster?

It reminds me of the famous Conservative attack poster on Tony Blair in 1997.... which went down like a lead balloon.

Policy not personality please.

Dodging questions like a politician. I'll ask once again, which part of the poster references their personality?

The Tony Blair poster refers to him as a danger which is actually a character attack, this poster doesn't attack their personality but their argument (which is they have no plans for after a brexit). Stop pretending like they're some sort of victim when you can't even point out which part of the poster is an attack on their character.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Not what I said. You know very well that WW2 crippled us and stripped us of the worlds top power, stop pretending we've still got the empire.

We've never lost Great Power status.

This country does well because we're well educated, low levels of corruption and we work hard and make/provide good products/services.

Not because we're part of a failing organisation that only came into its modern form in 1992 lol.

You can't even answer what a Britain after a leave vote will look like in the future, don't pretend you know what Britain would look like in an alternative history where the past 50-60 years were different.

Please go back and read what I have written on EEA membership, EFTA membership or a UK-EU FTA Deal.

It's been discussed over and over. It's staying in that is the risk: you can't tell us what the EU will look like in ten years time.

Dodging questions like a politician. I'll ask once again, which part of the poster references their personality?

Trying to associate Boris Johnson with Nigel Farage in a shady picture. It's typical propaganda imagery.

But again I am glad you're resorting to it because quite simply people will see though it. It's all you have left now with 13 days to go.

[The Don]

We've never lost Great Power status.

This country does well because we're well educated, low levels of corruption and we work hard and make/provide good products/services.

Not because we're part of a failing organisation that only came into its modern form in 1992 lol.

worlds TOP power, obviously we're still a great power, quite clearly we aren't the worlds super power anymore which was the point I was making.

Please go back and read what I have written on EEA membership, EFTA membership or a UK-EU FTA Deal.

It's been discussed over and over. It's staying in that is the risk: you can't tell us what the EU will look like in ten years time.

What you want to happen and what the government will do are two separate things.

Trying to associate Boris Johnson with Nigel Farage with a shady picture. It's typical propaganda imagery.

But again I am glad you're resorting to it because quite simply people will see though it. It's all you have left now.

They are central leaders in the exit campaign, something the poster was refuting, they are associated. The fact that you have leaders on the leave side defecting due to lies being spread speaks volumes about the brexit camp and the campaign they're running. Simply positioning bojo next to farage is not a character attack, and it's certainly much more tame than lying to the public.

[-:Undertaker:-]

worlds TOP power, obviously we're still a great power, quite clearly we aren't the worlds super power anymore which was the point I was making.

And we achieved both without the European Union, thank you very much.

The men & women of this country like my family who worked to the bone to build this great country up did it themselves long ago, not thanks to EU directives. You lack confidence in this great country of ours and the ability of her people to make it in the modern world. It's kinda sad to witness such a lack of faith.

What you want to happen and what the government will do are two separate things.

Democracy in action which is what this is all about. If I do not like what a government does, I can vote it out. I cannot vote out the European Commission.

In any case, why will these not happen? Are you implying that the UK will suddenly decide to stop trading with Europe and the world? Why?

They are central leaders in the exit campaign something the poster was refuting, they are associated. The fact that you have leaders on the leave side defecting due to lies being spread speaks volumes about the brexit camp and the campaign they're running. Simply positioning bojo next to farage is not a character attack, nice try.

Sorry mate but it's a shady character attack and No.10 is going to go even more personally negative for the next 13 days according to Telegraph sources.

Big mistake.