International Side of Habbox

[Cerys]

I actually proper agree with an intl agm, but I don't see it being the traditional agm role you all know and understand

The way I'd see it is they'd be staff in all depts essentially so they'd have more responsibilities than the current agms in terms of hosting events, djing, perhaps a bit of forum moderation etc. Generally just doing everything to keep habbox afloat during UK night time. Personally I think it'd be a great idea, the only downfall I can see is finding someone who actually wants to host, dj, do some time in hxhd etc etc cos it'd be a huge responsibility

[Brad]

I actually proper agree with an intl agm, but I don't see it being the traditional agm role you all know and understand

The way I'd see it is they'd be staff in all depts essentially so they'd have more responsibilities than the current agms in terms of hosting events, djing, perhaps a bit of forum moderation etc. Generally just doing everything to keep habbox afloat during UK night time. Personally I think it'd be a great idea, the only downfall I can see is finding someone who actually wants to host, dj, do some time in hxhd etc etc cos it'd be a huge responsibility

I think though even though it may look like a more responsibility, it might balance out with not having the same amount of work as other agms

[FlyingJesus]

That's not an AGM role though that's just being in lots of departments

[Cerys]

Yeah it's not the *traditional* agm role, as I said

Just my thoughts

[scottish]

cba reading 5 pages, but hxw wasn't hugely successful and was mostly inactive from what I remember.

[Inseriousity.]

When I was AGM, Jade wanted to have an international assistant manager as well as herself/assistant manager (I'll admit this is a very specific debate that wasn't that important so I may not be remembering the specific details 100% right. It may have been international manager) using a lot of the same arguments that you did whereas I responded differently.

For me, it is not about the job titles. It's about having the right staff in place and empowering them to think beyond the confines of their job rank. I think the issue for a lot of people is that apparently you need to have a manager title before you can actually do anything which just isn't true. She wanted to promote Grig who was doing really well already as a Head DJ bringing in new international DJs. In the end, I was over-ruled and Grig became a manager. He did really well continuing to build a really strong international side.

Grig eventually left as Grig has a habit of doing and the next international manager was not as pro-active and it crumbled back to normal. The job title isn't enough, you need the really good staff who are going to run it and tbh the really good staff would already be doing it because they don't need a title to do so.

Despite my doubts, I also don't see much harm in trying it out.

[Matt]

When I was AGM, Jade wanted to have an international assistant manager as well as herself/assistant manager (I'll admit this is a very specific debate that wasn't that important so I may not be remembering the specific details 100% right. It may have been international manager) using a lot of the same arguments that you did whereas I responded differently.

For me, it is not about the job titles. It's about having the right staff in place and empowering them to think beyond the confines of their job rank. I think the issue for a lot of people is that apparently you need to have a manager title before you can actually do anything which just isn't true. She wanted to promote Grig who was doing really well already as a Head DJ bringing in new international DJs. In the end, I was over-ruled and Grig became a manager. He did really well continuing to build a really strong international side.

Grig eventually left as Grig has a habit of doing and the next international manager was not as pro-active and it crumbled back to normal. The job title isn't enough, you need the really good staff who are going to run it and tbh the really good staff would already be doing it because they don't need a title to do so.

Despite my doubts, I also don't see much harm in trying it out.

Ah I forogt about Grig being the International HxL Manager, he did do well. I feel like in that situation, if you had an AGM to steer any international manager in the right direction and offer support it would be really helpful and maybe prevent roles like that from becoming redundant.

cba reading 5 pages, but hxw wasn't hugely successful and was mostly inactive from what I remember.

The wiki says it was 'relatively successful'. But yeah I'm not saying we should create an entirely new site or forum, i'd be very against that idea. I do kind of wish I was around to see it though.


Touching on the point made by @FlyingJesus; I do agree in the sense that it might not be an Assistant General Manager role as their responsibilities could be very basic compared to the normal AGMs but in that case why not create an 'International' based role or manager or admin that had the power to change panels, do things on the forum and just be online for when most other admins or members of management were asleep. So we aren't calling them a member of senior management but they do have the power to change things such as panels or anything that needed immediate attention.


To me, there's a few different solutions that could be implemented that have be mentioned in this thread. Now I guess it's just up to Management to see if they want to implement any of them.

[FlyingJesus]

What do you mean by chang[ing] panels? The only urgent/live changes that ever need to be made would be DJing and events booking, both of which I'm pretty sure can be done anyone in the department. That just leaves the forum as a possibility, so really all that's potentially missing is an int mod, a role for which anyone around the globe can already apply

[lawrawrrr]

Flairrr is an intl mod!

I honestly don't see the need for these extra permissions, the only forum or panel admin we use are updating league tables (which aren't urgent) and occasionally adding or editing events when the senior or manager aren't available. I can count the number of times I've had to modify an event in the last 6 months on one hand though...

As for forum, we decided to hire an intl mod specifically TO cater to non eu posting. Any extra forum permissions than that (aka forum management, reps, perms, shop) is Sam's job, not particularly urgent?


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[Matt]

I can count the number of times I've had to modify an event in the last 6 months on one hand though...

Because there's really only 2 a day so I wouldn't really expect anyone to be modifying that many events at the moment if I'm 100% honest.

I fee like your post takes us straight back to square one and that you've missed my point entirely

So you're just going to stick with seniors then? From what I can see (even though people are saying they agree with some sort of International AGM or International Admin) you've said no to it all because it's not necessary. The point of them having the extra permissions is so that they can lead the international side. Very few international people can sort forum permissions and assuming only SEO's can add events then very few people can approve events, things like that where it's nice to know something can get done without waiting for England to wake up.