EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

[-:Undertaker:-]

speak for yourself mate

i speak for Europe actually.

barely anyone in europe wants more powers to the EU level (infact the opposite).

so speak for YOURSELF mate.

[The Don]

i speak for Europe actually.

barely anyone in europe wants more powers to the EU level (infact the opposite).

so speak for YOURSELF mate.

working together != more powers to eu

[-:Undertaker:-]

working together != more powers to eu

who is opposed to working together i mean really. most people are for bilateralism but not supranationalism.

EU membership de facto means more powers to the EU as is written in the treaties and is the final aim. as i've said countless times, if you truly wanted just to work together rather than a federal, centralised EU then you'd be backing Leave and advocating EEA or EFTA membership.

as the EU keeps acquiring powers without consent and blindly ignoring referendum after referendum as well as elected governments, this is going to lead to an eventual backlash. and it ain't going to be pretty as people turn to extremists to assert their rights as seen in greece, austria and elsewhere.

[The Don]

Right, let's follow this illogical train-wreck from start to finish:

dan: The EU is forcing different peoples together who don't want to be together
akeam: speak for yourself mate
dan: shows statistics about people not wanting more powers to go to the EU Well, you're in the minority!
akeam: working together (different people coming together) is not the same thing as more powers going to the EU
dan: who said people don't want to work together?!

You did Dan, in your first post.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Right, let's follow this illogical train-wreck from start to finish:

dan: The EU is forcing different peoples together who don't want to be together
akeam: speak for yourself mate
dan: shows statistics about people not wanting more powers to go to the EU Well, you're in the minority!
akeam: working together (different people coming together) is not the same thing as more powers going to the EU
dan: who said people don't want to work together?!

You did Dan, in your first post.

there's a world of difference between working together as independent countries and being forced together under the same legal+political system. duh.

i'm for working together (as we do) with Australia, America, Russia, India and Jamaica. But I don't want to write their laws or overrule their governments.

Bilateralism refers to the political, economic, or cultural relations between two sovereign states. When states recognize one another as sovereign states and agree to develop diplomatic relations, they exchange diplomatic agents such as ambassadors to facilitate dialogues and cooperations that will be exchanged. It is an agreement that is affecting or undertaken by two parties; a mutual agreement.

yes please.

A supranational union is a type of multinational political union where negotiated power is delegated to an authority by governments of member states.

no thanks

[The Don]

there's a world of difference between working together as independent countries and being forced together under the same legal+political system. duh.

i'm for working together (as we do) with Australia, America, Russia, India and Jamaica. But I don't want to write their laws or overrule their governments.

Your direct quote, which i bolded and responded to, was : "forcing different peoples together who don't want to be together", not anything else. It's not my problem if you can't express yourself in writing properly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Your direct quote, which i bolded and responded to, was : "forcing different peoples together who don't want to be together", not anything else. It's not my problem if you can't express yourself in writing properly.

so what's your point here i don't get it. again you're trying to be smart and argue on language technicalities rather than the principle.

the EU forces peoples who are different together who don't want to be together. and we don't. we'll work together, but thats different to being together in an economic and political union with powers delegated to an unelected Commission. for example i want to work with the United States but that doesn't mean i want to become a US state, be subject to their Supreme Court or their administration & civil service.

[The Don]

so what's your point here i don't get it. again you're trying to be smart and argue on language technicalities rather than the principle.

the EU forces peoples who are different together who don't want to be together. and we don't. we'll work together, but thats different to being together.

You said the eu is forcing people to be together who don't want to be together, i quite clearly proved that statement wrong as I do, you then showed irrelevant statistics about powers being transferred to brussels. The point is you shouldn't make generalised and false statements.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You said the eu is forcing people to be together who don't want to be together, i quite clearly proved that statement wrong as I do, you then showed irrelevant statistics about powers being transferred to brussels. The point is you shouldn't make generalised and false statements.

erm what. so you haven't seen the poll i posted above?

referendum after referendum has rejected more powers to the European level. we don't want that yet it keeps happening. it's like your campaign keeps making out no more powers are going to the EU cos you know people don't want that - apart from 6% of the population. you're being very untruthful about the aims.

again it goes back to it. if you're not a federalist as you seem to make out, why are you not for Leave and backing EEA or EFTA membership? :S

[The Don]

erm what. so you haven't seen the poll i posted above?

referendum after referendum has rejected more powers to the European level. we don't want that yet it keeps happening. it's just how your campaign keeps making out no more powers are going to the EU cos you know people don't want that - apart from 6% of the population. you're being very untruthful about the aims.

being together != more powers going to the eu

seriously, how have you got a degree?