EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's not about being in or out of the EU, it's the economic stability and trading.

As a very plain example if we're unable to freely trade with every country in the EU our exports are drastically a lot worse off (i'm unsure how much steel is sold in the UK, and how much is exported etc, but if a lot is exported then there's suddenly a seriously higher risk to owning a steel business than there was last week).

Now obviously that won't be the case, and as the article discusses the robustness of new trade agreements and ability to sell steel in the European single market will have an impact on this.

So the article seems fine, if there's good trade agreements then it may even be more favourable owning the factory. But as it stands main investors are getting cold feet due to uncertainty and I'm sure there'll be a lot more investors etc that will be in a similar position over the next few months (or years).

It'll be fine. Thus far there's been a lot of subdued and soothing talk which contrasts greatly with the doom forecasts we were treated to before we voted to Leave. The sky hasn't fallen in and it won't fall in: have some confidence that this country can stand on her own two feet.

If you look at the political reactions so far, the panic has actually been at the EU end: they're terrified now that this is going to spread.

With regards to that comment I posted what do you think of that? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...mment-77205935

How do you think it'll proceed from here?

Also, if we do then impose Article 50, within those 2 years do we then start trade negotiations with other countries effective from UK-EU Termination date (i.e. 2 years from date it's imposed)? Or would the trade negotiations be unable to take place until the UK-EU termination date?

I simply think people are looking for excuses that we're not leaving when we are. The reason why Article 50 hasn't been triggered just yet - and I agree with it and have said in the past there's no need to instantly trigger it - is because Britain will want to lobby officials in European capitals before negotiations actually formally start. That way, the actual negotiations ought to have a baseline in which discussions will take place on when the Treaty clause has been activated. This is pretty standard stuff: you know when leaders go to televised meetings like the European Council most of the negotiations have already taken place behind the scenes, the face-to-face negotations are often mainly for the PR political benefit of the leaders attending.

On trade deals with other countries, talks can begin immediately yeah. We'll not yet be taking our seat at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) but talks on a bilateral basis can take place now so that they can be introduced when EU withdrawal is completed. I expect in many cases that these should be concluded quickly if there's already an EU FTA in place (as we're already operating under that) but we'd be looking at deepening some of the trade deals. For example, I think African nations in particular will be eager to push for more open agricultural agreements with us than they currently have under the existing EU deals as France as the biggest farming country in the EU has often blocked any attempt to open agricultural trade up to Africa.

[scottish]

With regards to your previous comments about racist, I imagine the following is some reason as to why people view the Leave voters as racist

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.lebla...=3&pnref=story

Added to the fact that the older generation voted leave (which most people will assume are more typically racist than someone our age).

Obviously in reality this is the very minority of voters, but if they're the ones who are standing out then people will end up making a stereotype

[-:Undertaker:-]

Labour's civil war is now underway folks.

Shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn has been sacked from the shadow cabinet by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn https://t.co/xefC6RAuFh

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) June 26, 2016

The dismissal of Benn will for certain mean a leadership challenge.

With regards to your previous comments about racist, I imagine the following is some reason as to why people view the Leave voters as racist

Anyone who views 52% of the population as racist due to Twitter posts by trolls need their head checking.

I have spoken about the student crybabies and petition signers throwing a tantrum but there's plenty of people out there - the vast overwhelming portion of that vote - who voted Remain who are decent folk who just happen to have a different opinion to myself and the majority.

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.lebla...=3&pnref=story

Added to the fact that the older generation voted leave (which most people will assume are more typically racist than someone our age).

Obviously in reality this is the very minority of voters, but if they're the ones who are standing out then people will end up making a stereotype

I don't yet think it has occurred to the yoof but *maybe* just maybe older people voted to Leave in overwhelming numbers because they don't like the European Union after 43 years experience of it. Maybe, having had a full 43-year experience of this organisation they don't like it, felt betrayed when they voted in under false pretences back in 1975, and having experienced life properly rather than just living on a student loan and having a "gap yah" paid for by mummy and daddy they've voted for a better future for their children and/or grandchildren?

It's funny how the side wanting closer relations with the black/brown/yellow/white Commonwealth over the white EU can be called racist.

[RyRy]

.@LibDems will stand on a platform at next General Election to ensure UK is in #EU #WeAreThe48

— Tim Farron (@timfarron) June 25, 2016

interesting ! theyre obviously expecting a general election sooner than later

could lib dems rise from the ashes?

I find that the most disgusting, deliberate OPPORTUNISTIC attack on this referendum I have ever seen so far.

52% OF PEOPLE VOTED TO LEAVE. I'm not surprised that Lib Dems would say this though, this is the same party who said they'd get rid of student fees then when given the option to do so, and then went completely against that pledge. This will resonate with young voters but that in itself is worrying, because there will be those who got stung by Lib Dems over the student fees who will vote for them again.

And as it'll mostly be University students who voted for them first time round, you can be sure I will ear bash any university student aka 'educated' person, who votes for them a second time round. Heres hoping my friends aren't those with a selective memory.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@RyRy;

What's funny as well is that for years the Liberal Democrats pushed for - specifically - an In/Out referendum.

[RyRy]

@-:Undertaker:-;



Even Farron himself voted for it, but like literally most remain people I've spoken to, it's only a valid referendum when remain wins.

[wixard]

patiently waiting for information regarding the common travel area (to determine my rights here)

all information given by leave campaign before it suggested it would be unaffected, now it's looking otherwise

[buttons]

@RyRy;

What's funny as well is that for years the Liberal Democrats pushed for - specifically - an In/Out referendum.

30 yrs? did we have a referendum before early on and what happened?

[scottish]

I find that the most disgusting, deliberate OPPORTUNISTIC attack on this referendum I have ever seen so far.

52% OF PEOPLE VOTED TO LEAVE. I'm not surprised that Lib Dems would say this though, this is the same party who said they'd get rid of student fees then when given the option to do so, and then went completely against that pledge. This will resonate with young voters but that in itself is worrying, because there will be those who got stung by Lib Dems over the student fees who will vote for them again.

And as it'll mostly be University students who voted for them first time round, you can be sure I will ear bash any university student aka 'educated' person, who votes for them a second time round. Heres hoping my friends aren't those with a selective memory.

I imagine that's what the next GE will be, In or Out parties. At least I can hope that will be the case.

I'm sure people will listen to you

@<b><a href="https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81175" target="_blank">RyRy</a></b>;

What's funny as well is that for years the Liberal Democrats pushed for - specifically - an In/Out referendum.

and I'm sure he's the first politician in the world to retract something after they got a result that they don't agree with.

@<b><a href="https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233" target="_blank">-:Undertaker:-</a></b>;



Even Farron himself voted for it, but like literally most remain people I've spoken to, it's only a valid referendum when remain wins.

Of course, if they vote for the ref then remain wins they get goodie points because they've voted to initiate the referendum that gave people the choice.

Now that it's not a favourable result they'll do anything they can to avoid that outcome, and as such will probably get quite a surge in voters (i.e. if they're the only party who announce this then I'd imagine more Remain voters will be voting them for that policy alone. I'd suspect most parties will be a In/Out though.)

It's like you don't know the first thing about politicians.

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lol

[Inseriousity.]

The problem is to win a general election, you need the support of England as that's where the vast majority of seats are. You also need the support of the older generation as they are more likely to vote. Both of whom supported Leave in large numbers. If Parliament tries to circumvent the democratic decision of the referendum via some political maneuvering, they will find their careers shortened.