High Court rules Parliament must decide on triggering Article 50

[-:Undertaker:-]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Many pro-Remain MPs have pledged to respect the will of the people.

However...

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/20...ames-with.html

MPs know full well there is no stopping Brexit lest they face the wrath of the electorate and there is no way they kind bind Mrs May in a negotiation. All they can do is compel her to seek a particular type of settlement which she is most likely considering anyway. Hard Brexit is not on the table. What is the actual point of this?

Arch-Remainer Ian Dunt is not so impressed with the leaver reaction though.

Britain’s new political class of angry, borderline hysterical campaigners are already on the warpath. “I now fear every attempt will be made to block or delay triggering Article 50,” Nigel Farage tweeted. “They have no idea the level of public anger they will provoke.” Whenever Farage raises the spectre of public anger and violence, as he did during the referendum on immigration, he makes it out to be a warning. It is in fact a threat. He is trying to incite that mob mentality. He wants riots in the streets.

In this I think Mr Dunt is correct. It's not a warning. It's a call to arms. And though I detest Farage for a number of reasons, on this, I really don't have a problem. I have made similar warnings myself with an implied subtext. I am completely at ease with it. This is basic civics.

Democracy is a substitute for violence. We only have a civil society because of a social contract. It is only because decision making is legitimate that the government has any moral authority to exert force over us. Remove that legitimacy and government authority no longer applies. The government can no longer legitimately apply force.

Spent force though he is, Farage does have a certain sway with a sizable portion of the electorate for whom he is a spokesman. From this position he is issuing a veiled threat, ratcheting up the rhetoric in the knowledge that someone somewhere, willing to do as he alludes, is hearing him loud and clear.

It's not exactly subtle but it is a clear warning to MPs not to even think about derailing Brexit. We had riots over the poll tax so if MPs think they can cynically use process to defeat what we Eurosceptics have worked all our lives for and invested in, then they open up a Pandora's box.

The bottom line is that we had a referendum, a free and fair referendum where the advantage was stacked strongly in favour of the status quo. That was the mountain for the leavers to climb and we climbed it. We won. It was a slim win but a win nonetheless.

It shows that there are MPs who see themselves as rulers not servants. Such extreme hubris warrants a more robust threat than the threat to kick them out at the next general election. Whether Dunt likes it or not, Brexit is deadly serious.


This is about self determination. It is an intergenerational struggle spanning decades. We eurosceptics live this cause, we will fight for it for as long as it takes. We are fanatics. We will do, in the long run, whatever it takes to ensure that Britain is not ruled by a remote antidemocratic technocracy.

As Farage said on the night, we achieved our victory without a shot being fired.

Let us hope MPs are smart enough to keep it that way.

[dbgtz]

Yes because when have the government ever been unable to/decided not to fulfill a "promise"

[Lucy]

As much as people do not like it the majority of those who voted decided leave was the best option, you would be committing political suicide to go against the mandate of the people. I have stopped browsing /r/unitedkingdom on reddit because I am sick of reading the rubbish. I agree with @Chris that if they go back on the referendum decision what a total waste of time and effort.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What irks me is the people who spat on Parliamentary Sovereignty for forty years and handed it over to EU institutions despite telling us all otherwise time after time are now the ones posing as defenders of Parliamentary Sovereignty. We weren't born yesterday. I have a Remoaner friend who literally discovered the principle yesterday and now parrots it.

[FlyingJesus]

Bad losers and bad winners tbh

[AgnesIO]

What irks me is the people who spat on Parliamentary Sovereignty for forty years and handed it over to EU institutions despite telling us all otherwise time after time are now the ones posing as defenders of Parliamentary Sovereignty. We weren't born yesterday. I have a Remoaner friend who literally discovered the principle yesterday and now parrots it.

What irks me is the incredible one-sided angle of all your posts. Come off it, Dan.

You are right - Remain voters are saying this. IN THE SAME WAY THAT LEAVE VOTERS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BEING UNFAIR.

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Also, no surprises that the Pound gained strength the moment this was announced.

But it's cool guys, the pounds crash isn't directly related to the outcome of the referendum :rolleyes:

[Cerys]

this gave me a lil giggle



but ye tbh even tho i dont want brexit i think people should just accept that the chances are its happening and get over it !! no point wasting time and energy when the chances of changing anything are so tiny and the repercussions of overruling the referendum could be equally as big imo

[-:Undertaker:-]

Farage is publically calling for a General Election and Government Ministers are openly discussing it, sources are now saying.

If the referendum had been a general election, the Leave Party would have a majority of 166 seats #RespectTheResult #Democracy pic.twitter.com/9nWBRKQtVe

— Change Britain (@Change_Britain) November 4, 2016

What irks me is the incredible one-sided angle of all your posts. Come off it, Dan.

Of course my posts are one sided. I'm here on the forum to give my opinion on matters.

What do you think I am, an AQA Politics & History text book?

You are right - Remain voters are saying this. IN THE SAME WAY THAT LEAVE VOTERS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BEING UNFAIR.

About what being unfair?

Many Remain voters (and certainly those in Parliament like the odious little rats David Lammy MP and Nick Clegg MP) still aren't accepting the result are are either threatening to block or keep us in the Single Market. Over my dead body.

Those in stages 4 & 5 have my respect and those in 3, 2 and 1 my increasing contempt and loathing.

On the 5 stages of grief, 32% of Remain voters are stuck in denial over Brexit. High Court ruling won't have helped! https://t.co/LYBavFzzXd pic.twitter.com/p19gnYYrQc

— YouGov (@YouGov) November 3, 2016

It [the debate] is no longer Remain vs Leave but Democrats vs anti-Democrats. Pick a side.

[Empired]

I have a few genuine questions I want to know the answer to plz everyone mostly cos I like to know whats going on but haven't rly been keeping up

Ok hello one, what would a general election now actually do? Surely article 50 will still have to be triggered by parliament so why would an election change anything?

Second of all dan you say we have to accept the result of the referendum but I don't understand what the result actually does except /say/ the people want this. Surely we all knew at the time the result of the referendum isn't the thing that directly changes whether or not we are in the EU or not? (Not challenging your post I genuinely don't understand why people seem to think the referendum was the number 1 deciding factor that would actually make a change)

Finally I don't understand ur point about democrats vs anti democrats. Cos surely British democracy doesn't work like that? Saying "the people have spoken therefore they must get their way" over specific matters is not democracy is it? If I could get a majority vote to paint the houses of parliament pink or randomly declare war on france for no reason are we doing that as well now because the people have spoken and disagreeing would make you an anti democrat? Cos that pink one would be cool and I would love to see that.

[dbgtz]

@-:Undertaker:-; I find it funny you call Nick Clegg and David Lammy rats, but I highly doubt if it was the other way around you would be calling Farage a rat. I think that's what AgnesIO means by your awful bias.

In a democracy, why do you think that people should just sit and accept the result? Isn't the whole point of a democracy and freedom of speech that you can and should keep fighting for your own view?

I also tried to look for the actual document/report on that UEA/Change Britain image but couldn't actually find anything.