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[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm actually religious myself and unlike many atheists, believe the world is far better for it. Far from despising Islam, I believe the Middle East would be a worse place without it and the moral coding it provides. Yet again you assume my opinions and are wrong.

I criticise Islam therefore I despise Islam? You spew the same theocratic bile that the ayatollahs in Tehran and clerics in Mecca do.

[FlyingJesus]

You believe that the cultural differences you despise in Eastern countries are due to Islam (as shown by the way you somehow attribute all manner of ills to the religion rather than the history of the countries), therefore you despite Islam. Just saying "no I don't" doesn't change that

[-:Undertaker:-]

You believe that the cultural differences you despise in Eastern countries are due to Islam (as shown by the way you somehow attribute all manner of ills to the religion rather than the history of the countries), therefore you despite Islam. Just saying "no I don't" doesn't change that

Islam is the overwhelming cultural force across those countries, many of which did not exist over one hundred years ago. To claim otherwise or allude to some unknown cultural force which you do not name shows you to be highly ignorant of history, the history of the region of the influence of Islam in how the Middle East is today from politics to society. Instead of acknowledging the influence of Islam and thus having to confront its ills that it has left on the region today, it's easier for you - being lazy about it - to paint me as a sort of bigot or 'despising' Islam because then you can use the good liberal card and I am then the bad guy.

If I tried to engage you on the three main events of modern Arab history and the rise of political Islam (the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the Iranian Revolution and the Saudi Pact) you wouldn't be able to handle it. So instead it's just puerile baby argument like "saying u dunt despize islam means nuffin cos u do i no ha ha i win" so what's the point of even trying with it - you've basically said nothing I can say will change your delusion of what I think so whatever.

[FlyingJesus]

1) Not a liberal. Dunno why you carry on saying these things.
2) I didn't and don't deny that Islam has had a huge impact on the culture of many places, but that (as with most things you post in replies to me) really isn't the point. The point is that you state Islam as the problem time and time again, and in doing so it shows that you do despise it. Agaiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnn, saying that you don't doesn't change facts, and trying to make fun of the truth by writing it in a weird way is just ludicrous.
3) The real puerile baby argument is changing what other people have said over and over and over and over and over and over in every thread. You get top prize for that.

[AgnesIO]

Islam is the overwhelming cultural force across those countries, many of which did not exist over one hundred years ago. To claim otherwise or allude to some unknown cultural force which you do not name shows you to be highly ignorant of history, the history of the region of the influence of Islam in how the Middle East is today from politics to society. Instead of acknowledging the influence of Islam and thus having to confront its ills that it has left on the region today, it's easier for you - being lazy about it - to paint me as a sort of bigot or 'despising' Islam because then you can use the good liberal card and I am then the bad guy.

If I tried to engage you on the three main events of modern Arab history and the rise of political Islam (the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the Iranian Revolution and the Saudi Pact) you wouldn't be able to handle it. So instead it's just puerile baby argument like "saying u dunt despize islam means nuffin cos u do i no ha ha i win" so what's the point of even trying with it - you've basically said nothing I can say will change your delusion of what I think so whatever.

FJ has said everything I feel the need to say, to be honest. However, the issue is, your claims regarding women are not in anyway unique to Islamic countries, and that's why your argument is so flawed.

I knew perfectly well which rights you were going to mention (as you do the same as many people). The issue is if you were even the least bit educated in these areas, you would realise simply blaming Islam is so incredibly short-sighted, and completely the wrong way to achieve change.

[Shar]

New Chatham House survey across European nations make interesting reading.

What do Europeans think about Muslim immigration?
New Chatham House survey of 10,000 people from 10 countries: https://t.co/QOwwwS2cAf pic.twitter.com/svaOzbtIIj

— Chatham House (@ChathamHouse) February 7, 2017

The western world is waking up.



Education, clothing, courts of law, role in society, sex, assault, FGM... I mean where would you like me to start?

Fgm is not an Islamic teaching lol...

[AgnesIO]

Fgm is not an Islamic teaching lol...

Don't expect a response - Dan is a bit like Trump in this regard; makes wild claims that he can't back up.