[CLOSED] Euthanasia, The consent of taking your own life - ENDS 15TH APRIL, 2017

[Brad]

It's not an assumption it's a logical conclusion/implication. Logically if you support active you'll support passive.

I disagree with this.
You can support active euthanasia and not passive euthanasia or vise versa.

[scottish]

Passive and not active yes, but active and not passive doesn't make sense?

You'll allow them to actively take measures to end a life but not won't allow them to take a back seat not intervening and result in the patients death?

[Empired]

I'm not attacking your view on suicide; it's a horrible messy painful thing that no one should have to endure. (But the sad truth is we do have to endure it even if we shouldn't have to.)

So I'm not attacking that, I'm attacking your naive view of the entire thing. This is not a perfect world. People commit suicide and wish for euthanasia.

And in response to leaving people hopeless, of course not. What a black and white view of the world. There is not just one treatment of depression and I'm genuinely sad you've got this far in life without seeing that. It is not simply lock them up or leave them to rot. What about IPT? CBT? I've tried both of these treatments and luckily for me both have been fairly successful. Now that's not hopeless is it?

[FlyingJesus]

You can support active euthanasia and not passive euthanasia or vise versa.

Why would anyone support giving people cocktails of death-inducing drugs but think turning off a computer is too much

[Landon]

So I'm not attacking that, I'm attacking your naive view of the entire thing. This is not a perfect world. People commit suicide and wish for euthanasia.

People commit suicide and wish for euthanasia. But is this okay?

My view isn't naive. Yours is because of the fact that yes, you are clearly admitting that the world has problems, but there are no solutions to it.

Oh okay. We can't put "most of the western teenaged population" (which is false) into mental wards. We'll just let them remain depressed.

Or: People should go in to medical facilities to take pills to kill themselves instead of jumping off of a building and jumping in front of a train. While this is certainly an ideal way to pass instead of the gore involved with the other methods, the concept of intentionally wanting to take your life doesn't change.

[Empired]

Hey Landon the 1960s called, they want their attitude to mental health back.

[Landon]

Hey Landon the 1960s called, they want their attitude to mental health back.

It won't happen haha. Good job avoiding the question though.

[Empired]

What question, are suicide and euthanasia okay?

I thought I'd answered that previously. Of course theyre not "okay" but they're all part of humanity. Stupid ugly chaotic beautiful responsible irresponsible and utterly uncontrollable humanity. Sometimes things are simply not okay and actually that in itself is ok. Sometimes there are no coherent solutions to our problems but in by experiencing our problems together we become united.

The world is not black and white as you say, Landon. It is not just filled with problems which we need to mix and match to the correct solution. And to me I find a lot of comfort in this imperfection.

[Brad]

Why would anyone support giving people cocktails of death-inducing drugs but think turning off a computer is too much

Because when you give a cocktail to an individual with the death inducing drug.. if they agree to it- they are agreeing to do it. They are accepting it.
If they are not able to make the decision of turning off the computer, then it's involuntary, and there is no consent.

[Landon]

Sometimes there are no coherent solutions to our problems but in by experiencing our problems together we become united.

There's no coherent solutions to suicide or euthanasia. Okay.

That's the problem with our world. No one has a drive to change.