Trump signs bill allowing states to withhold funding from abortion services

[lemons]

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[Landon]

but who am I to say what you are... im just a typical crybaby liberal!

Haha exactly.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh. But calling conservatives racist, sexist, homophobic bigots is okay and not calling you a liberal lol. Or telling me I hate women because I don't believe in killing kids.

I haven't done any of those things, and I am a conservative myself lol as I've told you...

@FlyingJesus; Your searching skills are terrible

My mistake, but that's still not me. My search skills (which admittedly stretched as far as typing "pig" into the search function for this thread) are still far superior to your powers of identification. Stop accusing me of things that I haven't said or done

[Landon]

I haven't done any of those things, and I am a conservative myself lol as I've told you...

Is that so? Keep in mind, I have called you a liberal to pick at you haha I know quite well what you said. That's interesting though. I really did think you were liberal.

My mistake, but that's still not me. My search skills (which admittedly stretched as far as typing "pig" into the search function for this thread) are still far superior to your powers of identification. Stop accusing me of things that I haven't said or done

The question is whether you condone it or not lol

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[FlyingJesus]

No the question is whether I said it or not: I didn't, so stop lying about me

[Landon]

No the question is whether I said it or not: I didn't, so stop lying about me

I'm not. I never even made a mention of who was calling me things. You never did, I was referencing lemons.

And 'trash' as in bad things. Not literally trash.

[FlyingJesus]

I never even made a mention of who was calling me things.

Yes you did:

To your point about "genuinely debating", you try that for once instead of the name calling

I like to remain civil. You break that barrier

lol grow up. This is your problem

And if you weren't addressing me you wouldn't have been quoting me lol, backpedal backpedal backpedal

[Landon]

Yes you did:







And if you weren't addressing me you wouldn't have been quoting me lol, backpedal backpedal backpedal

Oh right, with the absolute cretin bs in a different thread. I gotcha.

The absolute pig deal was another person.

[-:Undertaker:-]

But that's exactly what it is? Up to a point, it is just a group of cells with instructions.

Then so are you and I.

Calling something 'a group of cells' is describing anything living. It's emotive language in order to make me feel indifferent to the fate of an unborn child. That's why you call it a 'foetus' instead of a baby, because it covers what you are *actually* doing.

Godwin's Law I know, but same story with the Jews in Nazi Germany. Dehumanise something so you can then kill it.

It is not a child. I think you slightly messed up this sentence though tbh, I found it hard to read. From what I can tell, you're just using emotive language as attempt to prove you are correct, when really you've said nothing. You're trying to state opinion as fact, again.

The methods used may be unnatural but abortions have been around for a very long time. Also, if unnatural was really a strong argument not to allow something then we wouldn't even be on this forum.

It doesn't matter how long they've been around for. The act of dragging a baby out of its mothers womb by either blending it up, sucking it out and taking it out and placing it in a bin to die crying is evil and vile.

We execute murderers more humanely than we abort the unborn.

That's not a practical reason, you've just brought your own morals back into this. Your opinion is not fact. Some might see murder as a good thing, since things like the death of Bin Laden could be seen as murder but a lot of people do not oppose that. Also, by strict definition you can't murder a foetus and again you're attempting to be emotive to sway opinion which is a poor argument.

Oh don't try the relativity shtick on me. If you cannot agree with me that murder is a bad thing (and you're confusing murder with an execution of a lunatic terrorist, purposely or because you genuinely cannot tell the difference?) then there's really no point continuing the debate is there. If you can't agree on universal rights and wrongs then what's the bloody point.

Why?

You think a human is the same as an animal or is this the everything is relative trick you learnt in Philosophy class?

To the tiny percentage of children who are adopted?

I couldn't care less what the adoption rates are. We're discussing life here, whether a child has to live for the start of its life in a home - of which many do and turn out fine people - has nothing to do with whether an innocent baby in the womb ought to be aborted (killed) or not.

[dbgtz]

Then so are you and I.

Calling something 'a group of cells' is describing anything living. It's emotive language in order to make me feel indifferent to the fate of an unborn child. That's why you call it a 'foetus' instead of a baby, because it covers what you are *actually* doing.

Godwin's Law I know, but same story with the Jews in Nazi Germany. Dehumanise something so you can then kill it.

Firstly, I will say I call it a foetus because that is what it is in that same way a child is not an adult. But I'm glad you mention emotive language, because you just described what you do. A perfect example of you doing this is just below, where you use "evil" and "vile" as if that actually means anything. So perhaps agreeing emotion shouldn't get in the way of practical debate is a good start, then.

Also funny you talk about dehumanising, which is exactly what you do with certain groups of people which covers what you are *actually* doing

It doesn't matter how long they've been around for. The act of dragging a baby out of its mothers womb by either blending it up, sucking it out and taking it out and placing it in a bin to die crying is evil and vile.

We execute murderers more humanely than we abort the unborn.

As opposed to a woman giving birth in secret and leaving it in a bin to die then, which has happened. I don't actually believe a foetus is just taken out and then left in a bin to die, unless you have a source on that.

I actually tried to look for an example of that happening and all I found was this: http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/pol...yndrome-67268/ where the abortion was incorrectly carried out, and it wasn't even in this country.

But either way, you didn't really counter the point of it actually being quite a natural thing, since it seems to almost be instinct as it has been documented to quite a while back.

Oh don't try the relativity shtick on me. If you cannot agree with me that murder is a bad thing (and you're confusing murder with an execution of a lunatic terrorist, purposely or because you genuinely cannot tell the difference?) then there's really no point continuing the debate is there. If you can't agree on universal rights and wrongs then what's the bloody point.

Lunatic terrorist, back at it again with the dehumanising From what I recall, he was unarmed and could have been captured, but was instead shot. How you do not see this as an unlawful killing is pretty ridiculous. At this point, I'm not even arguing against him being sentenced to death, but the lack of any trial. But that's getting off topic a bit.

My whole point was there's no such thing as a universal right and wrong, only what you think is a universal right and wrong.

Also a quick hypothetical, if you execute someone who is later proven innocent, is that murder?

You think a human is the same as an animal or is this the everything is relative trick you learnt in Philosophy class?

I've never done Philosophy, I do maths. I just want you to actually answer the question directly rather than avoid answering it.

I couldn't care less what the adoption rates are. We're discussing life here, whether a child has to live for the start of its life in a home - of which many do and turn out fine people - has nothing to do with whether an innocent baby in the womb ought to be aborted (killed) or not.

Fair enough. I hope you're very much in favour of state spending on these children then.