14 people dead at Batman Film Premiere

[Stephen]

anyway everyone knows that guns dont kill people, rappers do

Edited by Lee (Forum Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[GirlNextDoor15]

I think its so sad that someone would actually do that.. They even shot a three month old baby point blank.. i mean really.. its horrible! And he said he was the joker..? i mean... really...? People like this make me feel sick

No. People like you are the reason why James Holmes or Seung-Hui Cho would be so angry to kill people. Knowing someone's different doesn't mean you can tease him or make fun of him. That might be why James Holmes' a loner cause maybe everyone discriminates him. It's not their fault to have mental illnesses. They didn't choose to be like that. And about that three month old baby. Don't even mention about it. How can a baby that young end up in a cinema watching a violent movie like Batman? Isn't that movie supposed to be PG13 or something? Or maybe they don't implement all these kinda ratings at USA? That is where the system's full of flaws. No matter that baby's gonna end up dead or what, bringing a baby to a cinema is already the biggest mistake which won't take a genius to notice.

[Absently]

No. People like you are the reason why James Holmes or Seung-Hui Cho would be so angry to kill people. Knowing someone's different doesn't mean you can tease him or make fun of him. That might be why James Holmes' a loner cause maybe everyone discriminates him. It's not their fault to have mental illnesses. They didn't choose to be like that. And about that three month old baby. Don't even mention about it. How can a baby that young end up in a cinema watching a violent movie like Batman? Isn't that movie supposed to be PG13 or something? Or maybe they don't have implement all these kinda ratings at USA? That is where the system's full of flaws. No matter that baby's gonna end up dead or what, bringing a baby to a cinema is already the biggest mistake which won't take a genius to notice.

So that suddenly makes it okay to kill someone... Most people get made fun of during their everyday life, but you don't see them killing people, do you? Those people have something wrong with them and it can not be justified. Have some respect.

[GirlNextDoor15]

So that suddenly makes it okay to kill someone... Most people get made fun of during their everyday life, but you don't see them killing people, do you? Those people have something wrong with them and it can not be justified. Have some respect.

Like I said, it's not their fault. Something must be wrong with the culture or environment. No sane humans will pick up a gun and start killing people.

[GommeInc]

*snip*

All you've managed to answer is that guns are there to kill thanks to the accidental invention of gunpowder...

As for the rest, you've gone back on your belief that education is the answer to everything and turned it into a cultural argument. Which is it? You're the one that believes that gun crime in America can be solved by education with the idea that criminals are thick, possibly using the miscontrude phrase "thick as thieves" for inspiration, when in actual fact they're not thick at all, many if not the majority of criminals are intelligent. You can't solve gun crime with education as it's not the lack of knowledge which is the problem, it's a problem with the irrational need for guns in a society that hasn't required guns for hundreds of years.

You also use the poor example of Zimbabwe and this over-exaggerated belief that education can again teach gun users to not use their weapons (the problem is use rather than actually owning them) yet Zimbabwe and America both have different levels of intelligence, yet both have quite serious problems with gun crime. If anything, you've proven that education doesn't work when it comes to gun use using two extremes, a country with rather good education and one which is in poverty and has no resources available to teach the population.

The counter-argument to this is that banning them simply will not work either, which is true to the extent that it's too late to make gun ownership illegal or restricted. The industry is established and will never go away even when the shops are closed and the factories shut down. It's a situation where America has completely ruined morality with the constitutional belief that guns are the little saviours of the nation when they were never going to be and it was inevitable that they would not be used properly (though why they thought it was a good idea to promote violence if Government goes wrong is beyond me).

[mrwoooooooo]

erm you dont need a gun to defend yourself if no-one has a gun to attack you with?

so should we allow people to walk around towns with knives now too?

[Lee]

Terrible news, I can't believe how sick some people actually are... RIP to the lost souls.