The Human Centipede II - UK Release BANNED

[peteyt]

Some people enjoy cold, hard gore. You wonder why the SAW films are so money-massive? The vast majority of them are vapid, useless objects containing a wide array of just emotionless brutality and sickening gore and tearing men and women limb from limb and yet in 'creative' ways. Some people, my friends especially who think Avatar is the best movie of all time, love it. They hate big story and thinky brainy stuff, they call 'the story' being useless but the style being the way you enjoy it and Tarantino's films themselves have often been accused of being style over substance. They're wrong, obviously, but it doesn't take away from that fact that the vast majority of people who say that also happen to enjoy his films for the stylistic presentation. Personally, I love both style and substance and it's one of the only things Snyder's Watchmen has going for it.

Gore is within the lifeblood of horror, whether we like it or not, sometimes it's the full on style of a film and sometimes it much more subtle or used for actual effect rather than repeating the same set piece over and over. Some people like the latter, I do when it's done rather well, perhaps with some heart added in.

On the subject of banning this film, I could not disagree with the BBFC more. Not just their decision on this film but as an organization. Regulating free speech materials is stupid, stupid, stupid unless it's done in the right name of protecting the little ones. There's an argument in California that because video-games 'corrupt our youth' so much they should be treated like pornography and sold behind the counter like you're meant to feel dirty when asking for them. It's utter, benign nonsense and nothing should stop any adult from consuming any legal free speech (not snuff films obviously, which don't really exist) because of some 'regulation'. Who cares if it gets into the hands of the youth, it's not the filmmaker's or the rating board's fault, it's the parents who let their kids experience ultra-violence. My mum let me play GTA2 when I was four years old and now I'm some bigshot writer, violence in another world has helped me become the person I am today but it's not true for everyone. Parents should know what's right and what's wrong for their kids and blaming the filmmakers/rating board for all of their problems is avoiding the massive issue that bad parenting exists and there's an all time high of teenage pregnancy and kids raising kids.




"You're sick"

Some people are interested more in the portrayals of psychology, on how people can degrade into such morbid monsters of society. I find that interesting but I don't think I could stand the presentation. Some people also enjoy the gore of something given it's often a primal enjoyment of seeing things get taken apart, it's a part of who we are and it shouldn't be called 'sick' because we're all generally the same deep down. It's just whoever irons it out or whoever embraces it.

It's a free world and opinions however stupid, idiotic or perceived to be 'sick' as they are should be allowed to happen. It doesn't make them sick to like things that you find sickening, the same way it doesn't make them dumb to like things you don't like for different reasons.

I partly agree with you but the problem is even Saw has some substance especially the first when we are trying to put the pieces together. It goes over the top later on and I haven't seen the last 2 films, but it has something else other than the killing even when the killing is the main thing.

My problem is exactly that, it seems that this film doesn't have anything but the violence. The problem is I have nothing against the violence but don't think it sells for me on its own, it needs something else happening in the background.

The best way to look at it is to take a good horror film that has some gore in it. Take all the other stuff out and leave the gore in. The gore might look good but could it actually stand on its own without the background stuff?

[Fez]

I partly agree with you but the problem is even Saw has some substance especially the first when we are trying to put the pieces together. It goes over the top later on and I haven't seen the last 2 films, but it has something else other than the killing even when the killing is the main thing.

My problem is exactly that, it seems that this film doesn't have anything but the violence. The problem is I have nothing against the violence but don't think it sells for me on its own, it needs something else happening in the background.

The best way to look at it is to take a good horror film that has some gore in it. Take all the other stuff out and leave the gore in. The gore might look good but could it actually stand on its own without the background stuff?

The first SAW had an actual proper story to it, the second one sort of stuttered and then the sixth somehow jumped up into the same territory. The rest of the films are gore over any actual background to the gore, reasons and characters we care about, and the box office numbers tells us that people like this sort of thing. I don't, unless it's done really well and I've never seen that from a SAW film without story, but I have seen many ye olde monster movies such as The Blob which (in terms of the acting and characters) were horrible but the gore and general killings were very deliciously creative. It kept me watching to see what the filmmakers would do next and that's what I think hooks some people into the violence without meaning stuff.

[peteyt]

The first SAW had an actual proper story to it, the second one sort of stuttered and then the sixth somehow jumped up into the same territory. The rest of the films are gore over any actual background to the gore, reasons and characters we care about, and the box office numbers tells us that people like this sort of thing. I don't, unless it's done really well and I've never seen that from a SAW film without story, but I have seen many ye olde monster movies such as The Blob which (in terms of the acting and characters) were horrible but the gore and general killings were very deliciously creative. It kept me watching to see what the filmmakers would do next and that's what I think hooks some people into the violence without meaning stuff.

Yeah there are films that are bad. But I think they would be even worse if they didn't have the bad stuff and just had the violence.

To me this film is simply a man tortures people. While as it would be more interesting if there was a better plot. Maybe someone trying to track down one of the kidnapped people just to make it something more than just violence.

[Misawa]

I just received this and it's gospel:

Press Release on behalf of Eureka Entertainment/ Bounty Films – The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence)

Within the last week, the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) announced that it had rejected and was unable to classify for release on DVD, The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence).

Bounty Films, and its UK distribution partner Eureka Entertainment Ltd., are disappointed by the decision of the BBFC to deny the film a classification certificate. While both companies respect the authority of the board, we strongly disagree with their decision.

In support of their decision, the BBFC issued a press release that gave an unprecedented level of detail regarding certain scenes contained within the film. Whilst it appears customary for the BBFC to issue press releases in support of its decision making, the level of detail provided therein does seem inconsistent with previous releases where the statements have been more concise. We are concerned this may be prejudicial to our forthcoming appeal.

The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is adult entertainment for fans of horror films. If a film of this nature does not seek to push boundaries, to challenge people and their value systems or to shock, then it is not horror. The subject matter of this film is in line with not only the genre, but other challenging entertainment choices for adult consumers.

We respect those who have different opinions about both the film and the genre, and whose opinions may differ to our own, but we hope that the opinions of the adults for whom this product is intended will also be considered. The adult consumers who would watch this film fully understand that it is fictional entertainment and nothing more.

Classifying and rating product allows the public to make an informed choice about the art and media they wish to consume. Censoring or preventing the public from obtaining material that has not been proven to be harmful or obscene, is indefensible in principle and is often counterproductive in practice. Through their chosen course of action, the BBFC have ensured that the awareness of this film is now greater than it would otherwise have been.

Having taken advice on these matters, and in accordance with BBFC guidelines, we will be submitting our appeal to the Video Appeals Committee in due course.

[DPS]

Oh well piratebay is there for a reason lol.

[Fez]

I agree with piracy when it's completely inaccessible to purchase, but even then perhaps donate or even it out by buying some of the maker's work.

[Judas]

The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is adult entertainment for fans of horror films. If a film of this nature does not seek to push boundaries, to challenge people and their value systems or to shock, then it is not horror. The subject matter of this film is in line with not only the genre, but other challenging entertainment choices for adult consumers.

agree with it all but that bit

[Misawa]

What is wrong with that?

- The film was made for horror fans
- It's very much a horror film
- There truly are more "extreme" films on the market that have received BBFC classification

[Judas]

What is wrong with that?

- The film was made for horror fans
- It's very much a horror film
- There truly are more "extreme" films on the market that have received BBFC classification

yeah i only meant this part

"If a film of this nature does not seek to push boundaries, to challenge people and their value systems or to shock, then it is not horror."

couldn't be bothered to cut up the whole paragraph, should've bolded it, my bad

[peteyt]

yeah i only meant this part

"If a film of this nature does not seek to push boundaries, to challenge people and their value systems or to shock, then it is not horror."

couldn't be bothered to cut up the whole paragraph, should've bolded it, my bad

I agree. Some horror is successful but isn't anything new. A good horror film is, well that's the problem, it's all down to personal taste. It sound's like they have decided what horror is, and if it doesn't try to bush boundaries it isn't horror.