The Euro Election Day Megathread

[FlyingJesus]

So his concerns over mass immigration are completely unfounded then as he can't speak like a two faced lying politician and didn't go to university to take a course in media studies? Give me a break.

No, but do continue to make things up that I haven't said, it makes your argument so much stronger.

Total number of jobs that "belong" to British people: zero
Total number of jobs that can therefore be "taken" by immigrants: zero

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, but do continue to make things up that I haven't said, it makes your argument so much stronger.

Total number of jobs that "belong" to British people: zero
Total number of jobs that can therefore be "taken" by immigrants: zero

So you would throw his concerns to the side and open the borders completely.

Why not just admit it rather than have me go around in circles with you?

[myles]

stop bumping this thread now its getting a bit boring

ot: yes

[The Don]

No, but you've adopted those sort of ideas. I've seen and I know people like you, you think that because you can speak rather well and are politically savvy that everybody who happens not to take on the dreamworld you choose to believe in (ie, let just everybody in and the working class can sink or swim) then they're bigoted, racists and just generally neanderthals who should be ignored, derided and mocked.

And this goes beyond Ukip, this is attitudes amongst the entire population as a whole towards various political issues and even social issues. I again recommend a read of the illuminating book 'Revolt on the Right' by Matthew Goodwin and Robert Ford if you really want to understand peoples fears and concerns (focused mainly on the working class section of society) rather than simply throwing their concerns and opinions to one side because they don't fit into your utopian world view.

When you throw the borders open, it's people like them who suffer the consquences. Not the insulated London elite.

I don’t call a person bigoted/racist for disagreeing with me, that’s what I call uneducated people that oppose immigration based on emotion rather than facts (the prime example being the guy in this video). You, however, do seem to dismiss those that disagree with you, labeling them middleclass/elitist/out of touch or anything else to reinforce this idea you have where you think you’re in the majority and represent the views of the common man. How many Ukrainian’s do you think that guy has actually seen personally? I’d wagered not that many and he’s simply taking out his frustrations on them. He’s quite entitled to his opinion just as I am entitled to criticise it.

[FlyingJesus]

So you would throw his concerns to the side and open the borders completely.

Why not just admit it rather than have me go around in circles with you?

Because that isn't what I said... 3 posts in a row you've just written some fiction and pretended that it's a legitimate argument. Disagreeing with the statement "they come here and take our jobs" is not the same as "I want no restrictions on anything ever". The clue is in how the words are different.

[Chippiewill]

Guido Fawkes has claimed another BBC editor was making anti-UKIP comments. It turns out it was a fairly blatant troll account and the blog post has been deleted with no correction or apology in sight:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari

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Ukip blames London election performance on difficulty appealing to the 'well-educated'

While Nigel Farage is busy claiming "the Ukip fox is in the Westminster hen-house", party spokesperson Suzanne Evans has uttered a sound bite Ukip would probably rather forget.

Discussing the party's relatively poor performance in London on Radio 4, Evans seemed to agree with the host that they had difficulty appealing to the "educated, cultural and young."

Elsewhere in the country Ukip had better luck however, taking important seats off the Tories, though at present they are still fifth in the local elections with 102 council seats, lagging behind the independents.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-blames-london-election-performance-on-difficulty-appealing-to-the-educated-and-cultural-9423200.html

[FlyingJesus]

Saw that 2nd article when it was up but decided to fact check, lots of UKIP people were saying that it was an out of context quote and she actually denied the allegation, but further checking on the transcript shows that the UKIP lot saying this were themselves missing out the part that was being reported on

SUZANNE EVANS: London is its own person, its own body, its own individual character and it’s very different from the rest of the country. Look at the social demographic. You have lots of the metropolitan elite that I think cannot really understand the heartache and the pain that many people around the country are feeling.

INTERVIEWER: But a proportion of the population you can’t afford to ignore, can you? One of your colleagues in UKIP is saying “We don’t tend to do well in London because it’s cultural, educated and young”.

SUZANNE EVANS: That’s interesting because UKIP is increasingly attracting the cultural, educated and young.

INTERVIEWER: Not in London.

SUZANNE EVANS: I’d certainly put myself into two of those brackets, but maybe not in London, no. There is work to do. We certainly haven’t got our message across in London.

Although this "one of your colleagues" thing is a bit dodgy since it's an unnamed unsourced quote - that said, Dan told us enough times last night what he thinks of educated people that it could well have been his quote

[CrazyLemurs]

I'd just like to mention that in my local area independent candidates won more seats than UKIP. This pleases me x

[wixard]

thought you guys might be interested in knowing we're sending a pot smoking hippy who doesn't own a suit to Europe!! luke Ming Flanagan BLAZE IT

hes an independent that topped our polls

[MKR&*42]

Wondering why the figures are not yet finalised? Just one council in England has yet to declare: Tower Hamlets. Although an independent candidate, Lutfur Rahman, has been elected mayor there, six wards in the council election are to be recounted - but not until 14:00 BST on Sunday.

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Anyway the results for all other 160 for those who dont know;

Labour: 2101 seats
Cons. 1359
Lib dem; 427
UKIP; 163
Indep; 68
Residents association; 53
green; 36
liberal; 2
bnp; 1
Independent Community and Health Concern; 1
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Online petititon was also set up few days back - http://www.libdems4change.org/ - encouraging nick clegg to resign which I wholeheartedly agree with.