Habbox excuses

[Boxiel]

I see nothing wrong with the management on this forum, and that my honest opinion.. If they have other things to do, in real life, then that should always come before the forum, and it isnt just a case of "passing the job on" nvr does a good job, on every aspect, he is in charge of alot of things on this forum, but if you can find someone better.. then please, show me.

Not one has said thank you for the feedback and we will try and solve it.

That is true I guess.

Edited by Nick- (Forum Super Moderator): Posts merged. Please be careful not to double post in future.

[Cixso]

I see nothing wrong with the management on this forum, and that my honest opinion.. If they have other things to do, in real life, then that should always come before the forum, and it isnt just a case of "passing the job on" nvr does a good job, on every aspect, he is in charge of alot of things on this forum, but if you can find someone better.. then please, show me.

I find it funny how you say we abuse rep, yet you buy it, it makes me lol.

Also finally, somebody agrees with the staff not being professional perhaps?

[Lycan]

I see nothing wrong with the management on this forum, and that my honest opinion.. If they have other things to do, in real life, then that should always come before the forum, and it isnt just a case of "passing the job on" nvr does a good job, on every aspect, he is in charge of alot of things on this forum, but if you can find someone better.. then please, show me.

We havn't said that nvr should be replaced or moved on. although i'm happy you're finally reviewing some of the posts in this thread its still clear you are making up information to bias the thread, making it appear that we want Key Good staff of this forum removed from there job.

We have on the otherhand suggested that member who the staff believe moan about them to 'swap' jobs for a small period to ether confirm the problem given by the 'moaning' member or to show what a good job the staff member does.

[Boxiel]

We havn't said that nvr should be replaced or moved on. although i'm happy you're finally reviewing some of the posts in this thread its still clear you are making up information to bias the thread, making it appear that we want Key Good staff of this forum removed from there job.

We have on the otherhand suggested that member who the staff believe moan about them to 'swap' jobs for a small period to ether confirm the problem given by the 'moaning' member or to show what a good job the staff member does.

I was using nvr as a example, Sorry lol, If you have a problem with a certain member of staff, lacking at their job, why dont you try contacting the department mananger? it might save a thread like this.

[Lycan]

I was using nvr as a example, Sorry lol, If you have a problem with a certain member of staff, lacking at their job, why dont you try contacting the department mananger? it might save a thread like this.

A simple read of the thread and my last post would show that we don't have a problem with certain managers or staff members and the area of my last posted about 'swapping' was for thoose members in this thread who have specificly mentioned VIP and REP.

I on the otherhand have no problem with Specific members.

A Simple read would save a post like that

[Cixso]

I was using nvr as a example, Sorry lol, If you have a problem with a certain member of staff, lacking at their job, why dont you try contacting the department mananger? it might save a thread like this.

I made a complaint last time. It ended up with nrskp4 calling me a child and I needed to grow up for complaining.

Funny how it doesn't exist no more.

Thats why I don't bother PM'ing them, would rather do it here as it's feedback and gets many other users involved.

[Boxiel]

I made a complaint last time. It ended up with nrskp4 calling me a child and I needed to grow up for complaining.

Funny how it doesn't exist no more.

Thats why I don't bother PM'ing them, would rather do it here as it's feedback and gets many other users involved.

Thats really bad

[Cixso]

Thats really bad

It is, I was VIP at the time, I even said I would never get VIP again. Stuck by my word.

Thats why I despise nrskp4.

[nvrspk4]

I'm going to cut off the parts that weren't disputing, just to stop this from being too massive, as I have several quotes, but please don't take this to mean that I am trying to downplay those elements. I appreciate you are trying to be mature in this, it makes it easier to have a discussion rather than an argument.

The point was that repping someone with the comment 'Good post' cannot be deemed pointless, as the person may of enjoyed the post or agreed with it, or perhaps it made them laugh yet Pycan appears to have 4 of theese on the list sent to him.

There are some posts that recieve pointless rep saying "Good post". Let me give you one example. A *CERTAIN MEMBER* gave another member a reputation for a post saying "qtylo safe" or something like that. The member was not involved in the trade etc. etc. Its quite obvious that its a bad attempt to avoid the rules One thing I like to stress, we are not robots, so we have the ability of judgement. We will look into something, and we have the prerogative to decide if something was genuine.

Perhaps an exchanging of roles would be an idea, if we think you arn't doing a good enough job relating to some aspects perhaps give thoose people a chance to do the job and ether feel the stress and problems you and/or other staff seem to have.

No offense intended, but there is no way on earth that we will give some member the powers myself, or MAD, or Joshuar has, just to prove a point. We have a large amount of access to the site, of course MAD and Sierk have more, but it would be greatly endangering the site to sort of just *give* the powers we hold to anyone that could not be 100% trusted.

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When you say...

We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.

Does that mean that nothing will come of this thread and you do see it as a 'fuss' or ....

No, what I meant was that once this gets resolved, by either a resolution or deciding that the matter was irrelevant, I won't hold grudges, and in future threads thing "That durned Lycan, he disagreed with me!" I was attempting to convey that I didn't hold grudges for people disagreeing with me. I welcome mature debate. That is to say, death threats and racist PMs are well beyond where the line is drawn :rolleyes: Though its rather ridiculous to get death threats over the forum.

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when you say

Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.


What if the rep was a 'owed' rep and that was the persons most recent thread as they coudn't search or find the one it was aimed for.

What would a member "owe" a rep for exactly? Its easy enough to find the thread, if you rack your brains and find a few keywords that you know were in there. Or you could ask the person for the thread. Alternatively, you could find a legitimately good post and rep them for that instead.

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When you say

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.


My remark was for such vital jobs, and by school children i meant thoose in secondary school and not thoose in college/sixth form. as thoose in sixthform/college/uni who come to this forum have much more free time like myself and quite a few others. we arn't trying to say you don't do a good job we are trying to say perhaps someone with more time at a more mature level should be given a chance.

There are several reasons why that can't be done. First of all, we can't have that mindset. Can't, we just can't do it. While we treat everyone not caring about age, we *still* get complaints about how you are treated like two year olds, for swearing and insulting. We don't want to create an environment where older people are looking down on younger people. Especially as the target market is younger people. And I disagree that older is a mature level. Half the older members are incredibly immature. There was once a 27 year old on here who was more immature than an 11 year old member of staff. No I will not name names. We do not, and will not discriminate based on age, its how you can do the job. Plus, older people are more likely to cop out earlier, and have to concentrate on college, or decide they have to "move on" from Habbox.

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When you say:That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense


it does seem that even if you have more candidates on the UK forum they could easily be pushed to the US/CA/International forum as Habbox is one big family of sites (is it not?) perhaps pushing more US staff to work ether as a second job or primary job on a US timezone site might help. i say this in only to jobs that require responses quickly/ where member stress level could get higher from having to wait. on a lighter note i coudn't get a job on Habbox UK, so i tried Habbox International and managed to get a job but sadly did not agree with a few of the other staff members tatics and promotions (strange that i would argue, but i only argue when there is something i feel is out of place or unfair to others as well as myself)

The thing is, now that we are making a legitimate push for the popularity of those sites, the people there need to have that as a primary thing. There were times where most of the staff there were also staff of UK, and then that forum was neglected. Also, the few jobs that involve member stress levels (Super Mods / Admins to respond, VIPs Managers to set up) for the most part there are Americans or Canadians in place. Tactics I can't say anything about, but the promotions...well, when you have limited staff, sometimes the strangest people get up high. I have more than once gaped at Joshuar when he asked me to set up a new international manager. Once again, a number of them (and nearly all of the current) are very competent. And I like them

and overall, if i had the Quote tags in the c+p i would of used them, but i did read all fo your post, Posted then edited over 10 minutes... fantastic.

No worries, it made it easier for me to respond, I didn't have to recopy the embedded quotes.

Indeed.

The entire thread is all about the infractions, reputation, and bad management and anything else people have a problem about.

Very broad. So...basically its an attempt to make an assault on me from all sides because of some personal vendetta that I am *still* not aware of and focusing on the actual issue only so long as it manages to damage me in some way? Cool

Here is the first step of NRSKP4's immaturity. You don't need to post a thread on us because we are not staff members.

Do you get an innate pleasure in spelling my name wrong? If it makes you feel cool, then alright, I guess. Its neverspeakfour, just take out the vowels On the contrary, it really shows your immaturity. I didn't post a thread on you did I, vice versa actually. Honestly, this isn't about forum issues. This is about a personal vendetta. Your friend above, Lycan (?) posted in a calm, thoughtful, and respectful manner, and therefore I respect him (I hope its a him, sorry if its not!!) the same way, and actually give him responses with equal gravity. Why not try it?

We asked for pointless rep?

Find the words, "Please give me reputation" then? In the spam section if you are talking about, The thread was aimed at LeftForDead for starting ana rgument asking why I had more reputation than him. Obviously because people trust me more and respect me more.

Err ok, I will quote you. Here is where you (indirectly I suppose, but its as close as you can get to directly without saying "REP ME!!") asked for rep.

Hmm, I never asked for my VIP rep either.

Shows what respect can get you Liam.

I have 406 REP now. Aiming for 500!

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not open threads aimed to continue arguments/fighting. Thread closed.

So...as you were saying? And also, that's a fundamental problem with the reputation system. People abuse it, and then classify it as trust and respect. If you *really* wanted me to, I could go through your rep since you registered and find out how many are pointless, and how many you earned. But I won't do that, because it wouldn't be nice, and it might make you embarassed, which is not what I'm out to do, despite what you may think

I would prove but the old Habbox Feedback threads have been deleted. Hmmm.

No they have not. Threads are not ever deleted. The only things ever deleted are the posts on the pointless reputations thread. Can you at least give me a situation or a general overview, before making false and largely offensive claims?

It is weird how you gave me and Neversoft (I apologize if name isn't right) the same type of warning, yet I got a more serious infraction. Yet others didn't even receive one?! Why is it just us 2 when theres 100's of members that rep every day? I find it unfair, if you punish 1 or 2 punish them all. If it was people with 1 rep you wouldn't care, but because it is 43 rep you do care. Interesting.

You got a more serious warning, because in addition to the reps, you posted a pointless rep thread. Neversoft repped, but did not post a pointless rep thread. A few others have been warned, they're just not making a fuss. If I only cared about 43 rep, why would I have infracted you?

I put in a complaint about you 3 months ago I think ti is now. No reply... Makes me think that you are all besties and don't care what users think about you as your job is no threat... you are all loved mates.

Rofl. I have fired friends before. And don't hesitate to think for a moment that if I did something bad, MAD would warn me. Its quite evident that what I did was in accordance with the rules, or simply wasn't problematic. We're not all "loved mates". And our jobs are threats, constantly, so we can't even act without general consensus, just because if it offends *one* member, and we're out on a limb, they set up a fuss. So really, by doing this constantly, all you do is effectively curb our ability to make changes. Because it has to go through everrrryone before we can do this. Making it take longer and get shot down along the way.

Why not be professional and deal with it? This is a serious matter, you should not make it humorous,. Not one of you have replied saying yes, we will do something about it. Thank you. All you have done is defend your self.

We have not said "Yes we will do something about it" for a simple reason. We are debating the issue itself. In that, we are saying that it is not an issue, and are trying to explain why. If you'll forgive me for saying so, (which you probably won't) what I did was entirely within my guidelines and what you did was entirely against the rules. So why should something be done if the correct procedure was followed?

Words are 99% different. If one of your forum staff lie... it's got me thinking.

Our forum staff lie?

If habbox was in thew real working days, you would be fired now, so would 80% of habbox staff. Luckily... it isn't.

Buddy, if Habbox was the real working days, then I would have been granted emergency leave, because I would have had a telephone to call in as opposed to the lack of a laptop on a car ride. Additionally, no I wouldn't have been fired. Also, this is a volunteer job, why do you think we do it? If we were getting paid, the circumstances would be slightly different. Some staff would be fired. But don't delude yourself thinking we'd be all gone. The difference would be that we wouldn't say a thing to you, if this was the business world, MAD would say "We'll look into it" and you'd never hear a word about it again. So maybe you're lucky this isn't

Mad said "Good Post" is okay...?

Yes, but he was assuming that you actually *meant* it, as opposed to using it to obviously circumvent something. A post that is opinionated, deploys a point, and makes it well, is one thing. If you repped a post that's pointless, or obviously not a post that you're repping for your agreement with it (ie: a post about their day) we will remove it. MAD was just being trusting and assuming that it wouldn't be abused

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So can I have my reputation that was unfairly removed back now please.

Sure you can. You can have back the reputation that was unfairly removed. Therefore your reputation will stay as is. Thanks

Messing around?

Look back, many other users agree with us. All the staff has done is only defend them selves. Not one has said thank you for the feedback and we will try and solve it.

I replied to this above.

We havn't said that nvr should be replaced or moved on. although i'm happy you're finally reviewing some of the posts in this thread its still clear you are making up information to bias the thread, making it appear that we want Key Good staff of this forum removed from there job.

We have on the otherhand suggested that member who the staff believe moan about them to 'swap' jobs for a small period to ether confirm the problem given by the 'moaning' member or to show what a good job the staff member does.

No offense, once again, but a member who "moans" certainly would not be given access to the database or the admin panel. It makes no security sense. I mean if you really wanted I could spam your inbox with all the PMs I get in a day...but then again that's against the rules without consent, so maybe I won't, as there are confidential complaints there that I deal with as well

I made a complaint last time. It ended up with nrskp4 calling me a child and I needed to grow up for complaining.

Funny how it doesn't exist no more.

Thats why I don't bother PM'ing them, would rather do it here as it's feedback and gets many other users involved.

The last time I called someone a child and told them to grow up a little, is when a member PMd me about a *valid* -rep, and they told me, word for word, that it made them cry at night, and they were entirely serious. I was a little more firm than I should have been, but circumstances warranted it. You could give me a general subject, and I could try and hunt it down. Right now you have no basis to the claim that I was ever rude for you. And no, I don't believe that. You put it here so you can create more of a scene.

It is, I was VIP at the time, I even said I would never get VIP again. Stuck by my word.

Thats why I despise nrskp4.

So is that acknowledgement that this thread is aimed more at taking personal shots at me than *actually* getting something done for the good of HabboxForum?

I welcome your responses Pycan, but if and only if you can get past the obviously posessing hatred that as far as I know has no cause, and post about the actual conditions instead of attacking me from every angle that you can

[Cixso]

I'm going to cut off the parts that weren't disputing, just to stop this from being too massive, as I have several quotes, but please don't take this to mean that I am trying to downplay those elements. I appreciate you are trying to be mature in this, it makes it easier to have a discussion rather than an argument.

Agreed.

There are some posts that recieve pointless rep saying "Good post". Let me give you one example. A *CERTAIN MEMBER* gave another member a reputation for a post saying "qtylo safe" or something like that. The member was not involved in the trade etc. etc. Its quite obvious that its a bad attempt to avoid the rules One thing I like to stress, we are not robots, so we have the ability of judgement. We will look into something, and we have the prerogative to decide if something was genuine.

No offense intended, but there is no way on earth that we will give some member the powers myself, or MAD, or Joshuar has, just to prove a point. We have a large amount of access to the site, of course MAD and Sierk have more, but it would be greatly endangering the site to sort of just *give* the powers we hold to anyone that could not be 100% trusted.

And there are some who give people +rep for a good post. Which is intent for that good post.

You have to take risks to progress... How else can you expect Habbox Forum to last? You can not be right every time.

No, what I meant was that once this gets resolved, by either a resolution or deciding that the matter was irrelevant, I won't hold grudges, and in future threads thing "That durned Lycan, he disagreed with me!" I was attempting to convey that I didn't hold grudges for people disagreeing with me. I welcome mature debate. That is to say, death threats and racist PMs are well beyond where the line is drawn :rolleyes: Though its rather ridiculous to get death threats over the forum.

People who death threat should be banned on the spot in my opinion. So should racist as that is 100% out of order. It is nice that there hasn't been any... how can I put this... "extremely young school children who are very immature".

What would a member "owe" a rep for exactly? Its easy enough to find the thread, if you rack your brains and find a few keywords that you know were in there. Or you could ask the person for the thread. Alternatively, you could find a legitimately good post and rep them for that instead.

You can owe a person good reputatiopn or minus for example; if they make a thread about you saying your a load of ... you are obviously going to remember and once able -REP them for it. Same with the +REP.

Very broad. So...basically its an attempt to make an assault on me from all sides because of some personal vendetta that I am *still* not aware of and focusing on the actual issue only so long as it manages to damage me in some way? Cool

You don't read well do you. It's aimed at a certain group of managers/staff who are lazy and do not do there job properly.

Do you get an innate pleasure in spelling my name wrong? If it makes you feel cool, then alright, I guess. Its neverspeakfour, just take out the vowels On the contrary, it really shows your immaturity. I didn't post a thread on you did I, vice versa actually. Honestly, this isn't about forum issues. This is about a personal vendetta. Your friend above, Lycan (?) posted in a calm, thoughtful, and respectful manner, and therefore I respect him (I hope its a him, sorry if its not!!) the same way, and actually give him responses with equal gravity. Why not try it?

I love it how you turned it around to aim it at me. User name mistakes are easily done and that does not define how immature you are now does it? Yes, I get pleasure from it... :rolleyes:

Err ok, I will quote you. Here is where you (indirectly I suppose, but its as close as you can get to directly without saying "REP ME!!") asked for rep.

So if you are going to do this to a selection of people, do it to them all? I;m very sure 80% of users has had Aiming for x rep! My target of x rep is almost there!

Are you going to do that? No? Why not? Because "It takes time" am I right?

Yes?

So you decide to just pick on a phew and ignore the rest? You treat us unfairly.

So...as you were saying? And also, that's a fundamental problem with the reputation system. People abuse it, and then classify it as trust and respect. If you *really* wanted me to, I could go through your rep since you registered and find out how many are pointless, and how many you earned. But I won't do that, because it wouldn't be nice, and it might make you embarassed, which is not what I'm out to do, despite what you may think

Sure you can, but then you will need to go through everybody else reputation as you are just picking on one user. How is this fair?

No they have not. Threads are not ever deleted. The only things ever deleted are the posts on the pointless reputations thread. Can you at least give me a situation or a general overview, before making false and largely offensive claims?

Ok, the thread was called VIP complaint or something along the lines. Could retreat it to prove my point?

Rofl. I have fired friends before. And don't hesitate to think for a moment that if I did something bad, MAD would warn me. Its quite evident that what I did was in accordance with the rules, or simply wasn't problematic. We're not all "loved mates". And our jobs are threats, constantly, so we can't even act without general consensus, just because if it offends *one* member, and we're out on a limb, they set up a fuss. So really, by doing this constantly, all you do is effectively curb our ability to make changes. Because it has to go through everrrryone before we can do this. Making it take longer and get shot down along the way.

How come I never received a reply? Nothing?

We have not said "Yes we will do something about it" for a simple reason. We are debating the issue itself. In that, we are saying that it is not an issue, and are trying to explain why. If you'll forgive me for saying so, (which you probably won't) what I did was entirely within my guidelines and what you did was entirely against the rules. So why should something be done if the correct procedure was followed?

Shows how professional you are. Instead of debating with your own users who make your forum work, you argue back with them. A simple, Thank you for this, perhaps you could go into more detail and we will resolve or try to resolve the issue. The thread would pretty much be over.

Our forum staff lie?

Go back a phew pages.

Buddy, if Habbox was the real working days, then I would have been granted emergency leave, because I would have had a telephone to call in as opposed to the lack of a laptop on a car ride. Additionally, no I wouldn't have been fired. Also, this is a volunteer job, why do you think we do it? If we were getting paid, the circumstances would be slightly different. Some staff would be fired. But don't delude yourself thinking we'd be all gone. The difference would be that we wouldn't say a thing to you, if this was the business world, MAD would say "We'll look into it" and you'd never hear a word about it again. So maybe you're lucky this isn't

I like it when MAD replies, a perfect piece of professional vocabulary and statement. Exactly what I look for.

Yes, but he was assuming that you actually *meant* it, as opposed to using it to obviously circumvent something. A post that is opinionated, deploys a point, and makes it well, is one thing. If you repped a post that's pointless, or obviously not a post that you're repping for your agreement with it (ie: a post about their day) we will remove it. MAD was just being trusting and assuming that it wouldn't be abused

I did mean it...? Read the post and the thread the certain rep was given for... You removed it unfairly, so is it going to be put back for your own mistake?

The last time I called someone a child and told them to grow up a little, is when a member PMd me about a *valid* -rep, and they told me, word for word, that it made them cry at night, and they were entirely serious. I was a little more firm than I should have been, but circumstances warranted it. You could give me a general subject, and I could try and hunt it down. Right now you have no basis to the claim that I was ever rude for you. And no, I don't believe that. You put it here so you can create more of a scene.

I put it here because more users get in the known, and users can then find out if Habbox management are going to do anything about it.

So is that acknowledgement that this thread is aimed more at taking personal shots at me than *actually* getting something done for the good of HabboxForum?

Stop thinking about your self! This thread is for a certain group of staff!

So on the other hand, what are habbox forum going to do about it?

Anything?

So far we have covered:

Laziness, Reputation problems, Infraction problems, Staff telling users to grow up, unanswered complaints and emails. EDIT: And staff excuses for not doing there job.

Plus anything else people might want to add.