Report Infraction Problems Thread ~ Should it be private?

[Catzsy]

A private subforum would be no different to pms because the member could still argue all day long in a thread so the present system is better I believe. One appeal then support system. Also if a member breaks the rules then appeals knowing they have then it's their own fault quite honestly as they are just embarrassing themselves. If on the odd occasion one is reversed then the member is cleared publicly. This system keeps judgments well above board in respect of fairness and equality by the mods and management who have to justify the warning/infraction. It also shows when they have made a mistake to learn from and so is a good educational tool for everyone to equate them with the rules as I said above.

[Hecktix]

My main issue is that infraction appeals tend to be quite heated on the members behalf and sometimes in my opinion in a red edit myself and Super Moderators simply cannot provide enough detail as it could be seen as revealing private information about other members, like when I've said before "your record for this rule is not very clean" and things - technically this is against the rules but sometimes I can't justify a full infraction without saying this.

I don't personally mind a member arguing with my decision further and they should get a chance to reply to the decision, however after a second reply from me or a Super Moderator I believe that an appeal should be considered "closed" and further appeals should take place on support.

I don't think it's fair for other members to learn from other users mistakes, infractions are actually meant to be private and by using a thread you can see who's issued what and who's got what - as afterall most infractions reported are classed fair.

As Garion says I think it'd be interesting to see what people say to the idea of appealing in private.

[Catzsy]

My main issue is that infraction appeals tend to be quite heated on the members behalf and sometimes in my opinion in a red edit myself and Super Moderators simply cannot provide enough detail as it could be seen as revealing private information about other members, like when I've said before "your record for this rule is not very clean" and things - technically this is against the rules but sometimes I can't justify a full infraction without saying this.

I don't personally mind a member arguing with my decision further and they should get a chance to reply to the decision, however after a second reply from me or a Super Moderator I believe that an appeal should be considered "closed" and further appeals should take place on support.

I don't think it's fair for other members to learn from other users mistakes, infractions are actually meant to be private and by using a thread you can see who's issued what and who's got what - as afterall most infractions reported are classed fair.

As Garion says I think it'd be interesting to see what people say to the idea of appealing in private.

So there is going to be a poll?

[flatface]

I agree with Oli - members shouldn't be used as an example to other members , I also think that the whole appeal system should be kept private.

Can you add a pole please Oli

[Hecktix]

I'll put a poll in here but if it doesn't get much response I'll do a feedback poll and force people to vote ;l

[flatface]

I'll put a poll in here but if it doesn't get much response I'll do a feedback poll and force people to vote ;l

you go gurl

voted!

[Catzsy]

I agree with Oli - members shouldn't be used as an example to other members , I also think that the whole appeal system should be kept private.

Can you add a pole please Oli

Members break the rules in public so they are basically embarressing themselves if they complain about an infraction that was given correctly which is usually the case so why should they get this consideration? I do feel that that whole system should remain transparent in addition to protect the members & mods/management themselves from any perceived unfairness or favourtism. Making a forum private is a very easy option in my view.

[flatface]

Members break the rules in public so they are basically embarressing themselves if they complain about an infraction that was given correctly which is usually the case so why should they get this consideration? I do feel that that whole system should remain transparent in addition to protect the members & mods/management themselves from any perceived unfairness or favourtism. Making a forum private is a very easy option in my view.

I think it would be hard for a smod/management to display favourtism in a private subforum, mainly because other super moderators, Oli and general management will be able to view the appeals and double check them. If certain members want to be immature and accuse some staff member of being corrupt then thats up to them.

[Catzsy]

I think it would be hard for a smod/management to display favourtism in a private subforum, mainly because other super moderators, Oli and general management will be able to view the appeals and double check them. If certain members want to be immature and accuse some staff member of being corrupt then thats up to them.

I don't understand why you are so in favour of this. It would be hard, yes but it is not a transparent system which society leans much more these days. A ban used to be much more of a judgment call than it is now as 'autoban' deals with most of them. Manual bans were never discussed on the forum because they were much more of a judgement call in the old days and under some regimes this favoured the management more than the member.
*cough* *cough*. This DOES NOT apply to this management team. If there really was a problem with this system and if if did matter to the members that much a thread like this would be filed week after week, month after month such as the filter and pictures of members in avatars. I have never seen this subject bought up before today. If this is granted then it will jump the queue of issues that actually do matter to the majority of the members. Again the focus is on a small minority who shouldn't break the rules.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't see an actual problem with the current way of dealing with infraction problems, hence why I voted to keep it as it is. Although having a sub-forum for it and keeping the threads private from other users wouldn't be an issue either, I can see why people would want that. But the thread has been doing it's job for a some time now and hasn't really been a big "problem" for it to be changed.