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    no problem tbh, apart from those who think nazis are 1337 or those who hate against this. However they should probably be more low key because alot of negativity will go against it.

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    By all means veterans should meet up and remember fellow veterans but they shouldn't be advocating Nazism. While you are right, they didn't get much choice about signing up and fighting, they must recognise that Hitler was wrong and Nazism is a terrible thing now all the facts have come to light.

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    they shouldnt be banned, i believe in free speech.

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    Yes and no, it's hard to say really. On the one hand you have the soldier who died for a cause and at the time they may not have agreed with it or simply of been innocent, as it would be wrong to assume all soldiers are evil, as some do what they are told as it is their "duty", but on the other hand you have the countless numbers of innocent people killed by the Nazi regimé. It depends if it's honouring Nazism, or the dead who died in the war, as it seems a bit unclear for now :/

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    I'm a libertarian, so it would take a lot for me to side against freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly.

    Let me start by saying that I dislike Nazis... a lot. I would not bat an eyelash if I heard every single one of those skinheaded Neo-Nazis died in a fire. I'm against both their ideals and their practices, and if I was the ruler of the world, I would probably send them on an all expense paid vacation to the sun.

    Luckily the world is safe from my totalitarian fantasies, and we do have some core rights that I believe apply to all people uniformly. Besides, we aren't talking about some Neo-Nazi rally in London or DC, we are talking about veterans from a war honoring their fallen with flowers. I would be upset if someone went out and killed a group of WWII vets, regardless of what side they fought on. The world was at war, and the Nazi propaganda machine was a monster. I'm sure a majority of them were convinced they were doing the right thing, fighting for their country and their family. I hold no grudge against them for that. The joking about Neo-Nazis aside, any loss of life is tragic, and I'm happy there are people left to honor those who have passed away because of a mad man's attempt to rule the world.

    The way I look at it, if we start limiting people's freedoms, be it the Nazis or our citizens, then Hitler has won. Mussolini has won. Stalin has won. We don't live in a totalitarian world. The fundamental rights of the soldiers did not get revoked when they lost the war. A Nazi solider is still a person first and foremost, and I don't care if they are honoring their grandmothers or their comrades, their rights should remain firm.

    Political rallies and other things those Neo-Nazis do are a whole different story. But even those kinds of demonstrations have legal alternatives other than taking away their rights to express themselves. Because in the end, those hecklers at the march did more than canceling the march would have. Censorship is never the answer, especially when it comes to honoring the dead.

    So I say let them march, but they should remember that the freedom they enjoy is a double-edged sword. They do not deserve nor are they entitled to protection from other's thoughts. So people can and should go out and protest their march all they want. They can stand on the side lines and ensure that those men never forget the horrors they helped make possible.


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    They should be able to remember they're fellow veterans, but if things like 'Hail Hitler' are coming out of their mouths then yeah, it shouldn't be allowed.
    Hitler did disgusting things, unforgettable things and those people shouldn't say those things.

    are these parades in Germany or in other countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Music.x.mad View Post
    They should be able to remember they're fellow veterans, but if things like 'Hail Hitler' are coming out of their mouths then yeah, it shouldn't be allowed.
    Hitler did disgusting things, unforgettable things and those people shouldn't say those things.

    are these parades in Germany or in other countries?
    In some countries like Latvia & Ukraine, Nazi veterans march the country

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    I grandparent fought for the Nazi's and he thinks this is disgusting. No way should it be allowed, but I guess people are entitled to their own opinions.
    One for the road. :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intel View Post
    Not all nazi's were evil.
    I think what you mean not all germans were nazis - they were the most fanatic i.e. the gestapo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catzsy View Post
    I think what you mean not all germans were nazis - they were the most fanatic i.e. the gestapo.
    But if you fought against England in the war, and you were German , that wouldn't make you hate jews etc

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