Sexuality and causes?

[qaxzsw]

i kinda see where your coming from, but it grinds me up because I know alot of people who claimed they decided to be gay, (not because of a reason or anything,) or that 'someone' turned them gay, and that really annoys me, theres nothing that makes me more mad.

[Casanova]

The only way I reason with it is that you have the curiosity. that you are neutral to both sexs and you shape your feelings and instincts around life. So technically bisexual?

My favourite arguement for "when did you decide you were gay"
"Since i decided to be gay, does that mean i'm the straight one and you've picked the opposite sex?

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is natural of course and I suspect the nurture argument has come up because nature (believe it or not) can influence your personality/the way you act/the way you move - almost everything.

[Casanova]

anyway... we weren't discussing the mystique behind sexuality. What's your peers and family's feelings on your sexuality etc.

[FlyingJesus]

People DON'T get turned gay. You are born gay and thats that. you cant change it. you can't change your sexuality. I get really pissed off by people who think its a choice or something made you gay. It's 'god' or nature or w.e.

Yeah let's just ignore the fact that there's no "gay gene" and that nearly all social behaviour is learned shall we? No-one's suggesting it's a "choice", the nurture argument takes nothing away from it being as much a part of you as anything else is so no need to get angry

Anyone whos got 'turned' gay can **** right off.

So you're now suggesting that any homosexuals who believe in the nurture theory (which in fact covers nearly all of the gay folk I know) aren't truly eligible to be gay?


On what friends and family think with regards to me, my parents seem to think I'm some sort of Casanova (if you'll excuse the expression) with the ladies while most of my friends are apparently waiting for me to come out of the closet lol, so who knows what the real general opinion is. I don't think my family are too happy with some of the somewhat less masculine tendencies I have though

[Inseriousity.]

I don't think there can be one general cause tbh. I think it's half-nature, half-nurture. For example, in some tribe in some place I forgot the name of, the traditional gender roles are swapped round. Men do the housework, gossip, raise the children while the women have the fights, go to work etc. So yeah I think there has to be some part of nature involved but a 'trigger' in life that brings that nature to life such as a bad experience with the opposite sex like bethie was saying or something as simple as seeing some fit man/woman and thinking sexual things... which I'd get warned for if I go into too much detail

[luce]

People DON'T get turned gay. You are born gay and thats that. you cant change it. you can't change your sexuality. I get really pissed off by people who think its a choice or something made you gay. It's 'god' or nature or w.e.

how can you say that for sure. say if i decided i liked girls now after being with guys? does that mean everything i felt for those guys wasn't real because it sure as hell felt it? then how do you explain bisexuals aswell because they go for both? Also the whole idea of it being god is flawed because if you're talking about a religious god i don't know any god of modern religion (or accent for that matter) who supports homosexuality. Maybe you should reconsider what you just said before being so dogmatic about your views because at the end of the day there has to be an element of choice there because i don't think much is fixed in life, if it wasn't a choice you would haven't people dating then coming out as gay because they wouldn't even want to touch a girl/guy (respective of gender).

oh and you can be turned gay? course you can! i don't think anyone is gay until like whenever because you're so conditioned by society to be straight you don't see 4 year olds holding hands with their first same sex crush? It's impressed on you by parents/friends etc to get a gf/bf you don't really make your own mind up until at least 15/16. I know people who have had girlfriends and are now so gay it's funny.

Personally i think you just fall in love with one person sometimes regardless of their gender. At the end of the day i think that's how it should be there is so much stigma attached to having a fixed sexuality yet surely it's just easier to fall in love with someone whatever.

[qaxzsw]

Yeah let's just ignore the fact that there's no "gay gene" and that nearly all social behaviour is learned shall we? No-one's suggesting it's a "choice", the nurture argument takes nothing away from it being as much a part of you as anything else is so no need to get angry



So you're now suggesting that any homosexuals who believe in the nurture theory (which in fact covers nearly all of the gay folk I know) aren't truly eligible to be gay?


On what friends and family think with regards to me, my parents seem to think I'm some sort of Casanova (if you'll excuse the expression) with the ladies while most of my friends are apparently waiting for me to come out of the closet lol, so who knows what the real general opinion is. I don't think my family are too happy with some of the somewhat less masculine tendencies I have though

No, I'm not saying they're not eligble to be gay, I'm just saying, I think people who say that don't understand sexuality. It's just MY opinion.

how can you say that for sure. say if i decided i liked girls now after being with guys? does that mean everything i felt for those guys wasn't real because it sure as hell felt it? then how do you explain bisexuals aswell because they go for both? Also the whole idea of it being god is flawed because if you're talking about a religious god i don't know any god of modern religion (or accent for that matter) who supports homosexuality. Maybe you should reconsider what you just said before being so dogmatic about your views because at the end of the day there has to be an element of choice there because i don't think much is fixed in life, if it wasn't a choice you would haven't people dating then coming out as gay because they wouldn't even want to touch a girl/guy (respective of gender).

oh and you can be turned gay? course you can! i don't think anyone is gay until like whenever because you're so conditioned by society to be straight you don't see 4 year olds holding hands with their first same sex crush? It's impressed on you by parents/friends etc to get a gf/bf you don't really make your own mind up until at least 15/16. I know people who have had girlfriends and are now so gay it's funny.

Personally i think you just fall in love with one person sometimes regardless of their gender. At the end of the day i think that's how it should be there is so much stigma attached to having a fixed sexuality yet surely it's just easier to fall in love with someone whatever.

If you read carefully enough, I said 'god', I am not religious, and actually, Christianity supposidly supports gays, some people have 'misread' the bible, and if you google it, there are alot of sites which say that christinanity is not anti-gay. Anyway, I was just saying that for an example.

Oh, and as for the dating thing, I have dated girls before, and that is because I didn't know my sexuality, but thats because it's not something you know, but you have it there. And some gays or lesbians will date the oppisite sex for a cover up.

[Panda]

i don't think you're born gay, like most things in your life are learned over time or gained over time, so in my opinion i think your surroundings and circumstances as you grow up are what effects your sexuality. you aint born craving cooch or shlong na'mean.

[HotelUser]

Isn't it just like anything else? Some people prefer brown over blonde hair, green eyes over blue, tall over short, one accent over another. You can't necessarily question such preferences. Sexuality isn't tangible either some people just prefer one dance over another, you can't always pinpoint it towards one rhyme or reason. I don't think you can just wake up one morning and decide to like a gender of sorts, I think it's built upon the perspectives and influences of a person's entire life.