Child birth without an income?

[Demi]

My thought is, if you can't look after yourself, don't look after someone else.
So security, income and love... Then kids.

[Accipiter]

My thought is, if you can't look after yourself, don't look after someone else.
So security, income and love... Then kids.

To the point & 100% Accurate, was going to +rep it but I must have given you some recently.

If you can't even look after yourself, you should never be given the right to look after someone else.

[Demi]

To the point & 100% Accurate, was going to +rep it but I must have given you some recently.

If you can't even look after yourself, you should never be given the right to look after someone else.

Doubt you've +rep me lately. But yeah, I stick to that opinion.
I wouldn't like to be raised by someone who has no security, income, love... So I wouldn't do it.

[dbgtz]

Let's remove the real meaning of R.E and make it "Reality Education" because some people in this world fail to take a step back and look at the big picture, where as studying the real meaning of R.E which teaches us to stand close and believe in hope rather than believing in ourselves.

I think what this world lacks is that people are far to busy living in fantasy land, too worried about all those Loreal women, or Rightguard men that they forget what they're actually living for and start becoming more focused on their own picture rather than the big picture once again.

The world is a mess, call me a hippy but it's in a state of utter madness.

Yeah to be honest learning about religion is just not necessary, well at least not in the depth in schools. Maybe teach about the basics of religions just so people don't just go and take the piss. I mean I do not need to know what muslims do at sunrise, or that some guy rode a donkey and then was killed as I do not care as I am not religious. I mean, there are so many things that would be so much more useful, as you said the whole teaching of real life skills and giving knowledge which everyone (for the most part) will need. School timetables are so crammed, so focused on grades and "achievement" that it lacks any moral value that is crumbling society.

However the real problem with school is that whilst they may focus on grades and achievement, for those who are likely to do something as described in the original post, they are usually rewarded for nothing therefore they just learn to do as they please and still gain from it without having to lift a finger in comparison to someone from an average household.

[Inseriousity.]

Personally, I think the real issue is the demonisation of single mothers that is just happening too frequently. No-one stands a chance when they've got negative connotations about the situation that they may not have wanted or planned for but they'll try to make the best of a bad situation. not every single mother is sponging off the state, not every single mother doesn't care for their children and only care about themselves.

Do I wish people would wait until they were secure financially and personally? Yes.
Do I think this is ever going to happen? No. (oh and before someone mentions it, people were having children out of wedlock all the time and had their children taken away from them and put in a home so it's not a "modern" thing).

In my opinion, it makes you the ignorant one.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Personally, I think the real issue is the demonisation of single mothers that is just happening too frequently. No-one stands a chance when they've got negative connotations about the situation that they may not have wanted or planned for but they'll try to make the best of a bad situation. not every single mother is sponging off the state, not every single mother doesn't care for their children and only care about themselves.

Do I wish people would wait until they were secure financially and personally? Yes.
Do I think this is ever going to happen? No. (oh and before someone mentions it, people were having children out of wedlock all the time and had their children taken away from them and put in a home so it's not a "modern" thing).

In my opinion, it makes you the ignorant one.

Single mothers aren't demonised, the idea that there is a 'war against single mothers' is utter rubbish. As Peter Hitchens, author of the Abolition of Britain summed up so perfectly; a single mother raising a child on her own is like trying to lift a heavy suitcase with one hand - despite good intentions, it cannot be done.

[Inseriousity.]

I think the 'blood boiling' rant in this thread proves it isn't utter rubbish.

Can't be done? It is being done. Every single day, you'll probably walk past someone who turned out just fine even though he/she had a single mother (oh and I should be fair and say single father too).

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think the 'blood boiling' rant in this thread proves it isn't utter rubbish.

This thread talks more about benefits, which ought to get our blood boiling. I think you will find that its actually those who defend marriage and the family such as myself who are the ones who are demonised as backwards looking, foaming at the moth downright evil and nasty people.

An example is your reaction to somebody commenting on a selfish lady becoming pregnant and selfishly expecting the state to pick up the tab, that somehow to view this behaviour as negative (which it is) is 'a war against single mothers' and is 'demonisation'. If what I say, which is that unmarried mothers replacing the father figure with the state is a bad thing and ought to be discouraged - if that is demonisation, maybe we ought to have more of it.

Can't be done? It is being done. Every single day, you'll probably walk past someone who turned out just fine even though he/she had a single mother (oh and I should be fair and say single father too).

But then a large proportion do turn out wrong. A simple example of this is in the classroom, notice that most of the troublemakers in a classroom are from broken homes which have unmarried mothers, divored and hostile parents or have never known a father figure.

[Accipiter]

Personally, I think the real issue is the demonisation of single mothers that is just happening too frequently. No-one stands a chance when they've got negative connotations about the situation that they may not have wanted or planned for but they'll try to make the best of a bad situation. not every single mother is sponging off the state, not every single mother doesn't care for their children and only care about themselves.

Do I wish people would wait until they were secure financially and personally? Yes.
Do I think this is ever going to happen? No. (oh and before someone mentions it, people were having children out of wedlock all the time and had their children taken away from them and put in a home so it's not a "modern" thing).

In my opinion, it makes you the ignorant one.

I haven't targeted a single mother any where in this thread.

[Catzsy]

My feeling on this if it is a planned pregnancy whether you are married, single, gay or straight you should have some responsibility about how you can care for that child. Not having an income means that it would not really be possible to do what is best for a child and would not be the right time. Obviously it does not mean that once a pregnancy occurs that employment is lost for all sorts of reasons which cannot be reasonably forseen which is the same if the pregnancy is accidental despite using a reliable birth control method.