Doctor Who - Series 8 Thread.

[Charz777]

Not sure I'd call episodes like Journey's End fluffy and cute, but they're definitely not as dark as Moffat's writing

Journey's End was brilliant. But what I mean by fluffy is the whole 'Let's bring everyone back like one big happy family, then have a 10.2 to be with Rose, then marry off Martha and Mickey etc.' It's just a bit too cliched. In a way it makes the emotion feel less real, whereas Moffat does emotion brilliantly at just the perfect moments. Doomsday and Journey's End were the only RTD episodes to get me choked up or at least feel some sort of emotion, but so many of Moffat's have

I prefer the way Moffat mixes it up a bit.

[dbgtz]

I just realised something. Didn't the Daleks forget the Doctor in Asylum of the Daleks? Why can they remember him and, if I recall, instantly recognise him?

[Chippiewill]

They couldn't. The Dalek thought he was an actual doctor, as in someone to fix him.

[lawrawrrr]

OK SO I'M JUST SAT HERE WATCHING THE GIRL WHO WAITED EP WHERE AMY GETS STUCK IN APPALACHIA TWO STREAMS FACITILITY AND LOOK WHAT THE GARDENS LOOK LIKE

INTENTIONAL OR?

[xxMATTGxx]

OK SO I'M JUST SAT HERE WATCHING THE GIRL WHO WAITED EP WHERE AMY GETS STUCK IN APPALACHIA TWO STREAMS FACITILITY AND LOOK WHAT THE GARDENS LOOK LIKE

INTENTIONAL OR?

Has to be intentional

[lawrawrrr]

thing is i get it's a popular set and stuff but theres no way they'd be that crude about it SURELY

moffat is TOO CLEVER

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i feel so sad for noticing this though

[Empired]

OK SO I'M JUST SAT HERE WATCHING THE GIRL WHO WAITED EP WHERE AMY GETS STUCK IN APPALACHIA TWO STREAMS FACITILITY AND LOOK WHAT THE GARDENS LOOK LIKE

INTENTIONAL OR?

Intentional. Must be? They often use the same sets/locations but just film from a completely different angle and paint everything different colours (etc) so we never notice.
They would have changed this set considerably if this wasn't linked???

[peteyt]

I agree Moffat is better at Sci-Fi and he was fantastic when he wasn't Head writer, but he went a bit mad once he was in charge! RTD's funny episodes broke up the seriousness a bit and made the scary episodes even scarier. Most episodes were supposed to be full-on terrifying in Season 7 so the audience just got too used to it and Doctor Who got boring.

Yeah I'm a big Moffat fan but I think thats his problem - his stories tend to work well as standalone episodes e.g. the amazing Blink being one of my favourites and for a Christmas episode, a christmas carol is amazing and magic. But he goes a bit overboard and seems to plan a lot later on and then tries to force it to work - for example we learned in the Time of the Doctor that he saw the cracks when he opened his room in the God Complex but he addressed them as a person "I always knew it would be you" or something along those lines as if it was a person or as I'd always believed, the Tardis. It doesn't really fit it being the cracks.

The one thing I am glad is that Moffat brought a lot more SC-FI and actual time travel to doctor who with past and future versions of people being in episodes for example. He brought the magic and fun and cut down on the drama. The arcs weren't bad, and I like when you get a bit more information throughout the series rather than the RTD way of having to do it all in one or two episodes, he just needs to calm down at times. Also he seems to like re-using stuff but then I suppose its bound to happen. The angels aren't really that scary now.

Journey's End was brilliant. But what I mean by fluffy is the whole 'Let's bring everyone back like one big happy family, then have a 10.2 to be with Rose, then marry off Martha and Mickey etc.' It's just a bit too cliched. In a way it makes the emotion feel less real, whereas Moffat does emotion brilliantly at just the perfect moments. Doomsday and Journey's End were the only RTD episodes to get me choked up or at least feel some sort of emotion, but so many of Moffat's have I prefer the way Moffat mixes it up a bit.

To me Journey's End is one of the worst episodes to come out of both classic and new who and it's a prime example of my issue with RTD. The whole thing you mentioned about 10.2 just makes me cringe. Honesty it felt like RTD decided to give into the 10/rose shippers and give them a fairytale ending and it didn't suit doctor who. If it had came naturally and felt right then fair enough but it felt so forced. I also didn't like the way Donna destroyed the Daleks, pressing the press this if Daleks get out of control self destruction button cconvenientlyplaced on their own ship. However I appear to be one of the few who really liked how Donna ended. People got disappointed when RTD didn't actually deliver a death like he planned but to me he actually did. The Donna we had originally met, the very closed minded, chav like person we saw grow and become a lot better in many ways suddenly was changed back to her old self with the memories of what she had achieved taken away and to me that was a great way to in a sense kill of a character.

I just realised something. Didn't the Daleks forget the Doctor in Asylum of the Daleks? Why can they remember him and, if I recall, instantly recognise him?

They couldn't. The Dalek thought he was an actual doctor, as in someone to fix him.

While Chippiewill is right that the Dalek wanted an actual doctor not "the doctor", the daleks actually remember the doctor. In Time of the Doctor the Daleks took all the information about the doctor from the Papal Mainframe thus restoring their memories of the doctor or at least a large amount of them. They certainly know who he is

[Charz777]

To me Journey's End is one of the worst episodes to come out of both classic and new who and it's a prime example of my issue with RTD. The whole thing you mentioned about 10.2 just makes me cringe. Honesty it felt like RTD decided to give into the 10/rose shippers and give them a fairytale ending and it didn't suit doctor who. If it had came naturally and felt right then fair enough but it felt so forced. I also didn't like the way Donna destroyed the Daleks, pressing the press this if Daleks get out of control self destruction button cconvenientlyplaced on their own ship. However I appear to be one of the few who really liked how Donna ended. People got disappointed when RTD didn't actually deliver a death like he planned but to me he actually did. The Donna we had originally met, the very closed minded, chav like person we saw grow and become a lot better in many ways suddenly was changed back to her old self with the memories of what she had achieved taken away and to me that was a great way to in a sense kill of a character.

It just seemed so stupid to have 10.2 with Rose. I loved David and Billie's on screen partnership but I wouldn't have shipped them... And you know, does she just pick up with 10.2 where she left off with 10 two years before? How does that even work? Awkward!

I quite liked Donna; a lot of people didn't because she brought too much of her own comedy to it, but I liked having someone different. But I agree, the very convenient Dalek self destruct buttons was a bit ridiculous; makes it all a bit too easy...

[peteyt]

It just seemed so stupid to have 10.2 with Rose. I loved David and Billie's on screen partnership but I wouldn't have shipped them... And you know, does she just pick up with 10.2 where she left off with 10 two years before? How does that even work? Awkward!

I quite liked Donna; a lot of people didn't because she brought too much of her own comedy to it, but I liked having someone different. But I agree, the very convenient Dalek self destruct buttons was a bit ridiculous; makes it all a bit too easy...

The thing is a friend of mine wasn't looking forward to her reappearing after recently going through all of new who, well a year ago. I suppose I myself wasn't either but we both agreed that she brought something different than the past two assistants. With Rose and Martha they'd both been emotionally involved in the doctor and so it was such a fresh of breath air to get an assistant who just wanted to be best friends with the doctor and nothing more.

And New Who seems to be full of cheap endings. I much prefer Moffat over RTD but there tends to be a lot of the power of love and/or remember or at least there has been in the previous series, no sign of it so far so fingers crossed. I'm hoping that Capaldi's doctor is resourceful.