9/11 Conspiracies - What do you think happened? - [Closes 13/05/07]

[micky.blue.eyes]

Im still not sure about the black boxes, they're supposed to be indestructible, how did they not find them, unless when the explosion occured they were blown several miles away

They did finf them later on, but they first said that they couldn't find them and that they were probably destroyed, but that they did find the passport of the pilot.

Another thing about the black boxes they did find, they didn't release all the conversations on them. The information of one of the black boxes was only released to the family once, but they were told never to talk about what they heard. The information of another black box was released, but the last 5 minutes "dissapeared."
The information of the third black box wasn't released I think.

No they didn't. They said jet fuel weakened the steel structures, and yes, Jet Fuel does burn hot enough to do that. You can see in the videos, the south tower collapsed after one of the steel supports buckled, and twisted. It didn't melt. It was weakened.

That is impossible because the tower didn't burn long enough to weaken the steel structure enough.

The official 9/11 commission stated they recovered 3 of the 4 black boxes. I believe anyway, I'll double check that if I have time. And thats from the 9/11 commission.

(Points made above.)

Yeah. It was damaged severely by the falling debris of 1WTC and 2WTC, but not from the impact of the falling towers. There were major fires in the top floors, and the bottom 10 floors were completely damaged. Everyone was evacuated well before it collapsed. I think Larry A. Silverstein also said in an interview that he suggested they pull it anyway.

I don't agree with this idea that bombs were planted at the bottom to make it fall down. Looking at the videos, the part of the WTC above where the plane went in noticably falls before the bottom, which makes me doubt bombs were at the bottom.

There were bombs in the whole building (not on every floor), just watch one of the videos, they point out the explosions.

Also, as far as I am aware, no one actually saw explosions at the bottom, only heard them. The explosions could of been from some demented mind which thought the explosions possibly happening inside the building were coming from the bottom, where the explosions echoed down from other buildings. It is, afterall, possible.

I don't think all those firement were demented. It could've been an echo if the explosions were heard with just a small time between them, but that wasn't the case.

This black box idea is confusing. It is possible they were destroyed in the explosions and flames or the radio and sonar which some have (apprently) got damaged which led to it being unable to find. Looking at Wikipedia (because I don't know what they're made of and their specifications), it doesn't state what the material is made out of and whether or not it will survive an enclosed explosion as opposed to an outdoor explosion

They eventually found 3 oif the boxes (points made above.) Black boxes are pretty much undestructable.

Im guessing its the same with the claims about the gold, since alot of its followers seem to still believe it disappeared, while in reality it was recovered a few months/weeks later after they dug down to the volts through the collapsed building "/

I don't know a lot about the gold but not everything was recovered.

Also im pretty sure all the black box's were recovered, those things are pretty tough. And whered the melted steal come from? to my knowledge no steal melted, the only thing that melted was aluminum of the plane's the building feel because a plane wacked in to the side of it damaging the supports, which was then heated by the fire, which weakens them considerably to the point they couldn't hold the weight and collapsed, after that gravity just did its thing.

3 boxes were. (Points made above) (Points about the supports are made above aswell.)

What? That wouldn't be a controlled demolition if they did that. blowing up a support, is not all that different from waking a plane in to the side in bringing the tower down, it wouldn't help it fall down straight.
Go watch a controlled demolition and notice the perfectly timed blow outs on each indervidual floor needed to maintain a vertical collapse in a normal building.

It was (probably) controlled demoltion. Just look at the way the tower fell, the explosions and the tower ended as a nice pile.

is the date connected ? 9/11 whats the american emergency number ? 911 ..

I once found a site with more of those connections but those are just coincidences.

Okay. There isn't much to debate but... some terrorists decided to get together && crash a plane into the World Trade Centre because of their religious beliefs. They also crashed into the Pentagon && some other buildings.

That's exactly how it didn't happen. Your post shows you have little knowledge on this topic (no offence), but who ever did it didn't do it because their of religious beliefs, terrorists never act because of their religious beliefs, they just want to cause chaos and fear, they may use their religious beliefs as an excuse, but the fact that most people dissagree with how the terrorists act and their books never said about anything about suicide bombing or that terrorism is good.
They only crashed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, no other buildings were hit by a plane. They say another plane crashed into a field which is impossible if you look at the crash scene. There are no plane parts and no bodies, the crash scene is also way too small.

I got dinner now.

[RedStratocas]

One thing that has always bugged me was that they found one of the hijacker's passports on a street nearby the World Trade Center. Not only did it survive that huge flaming fireball, someone FOUND it! Thats crazy.

[Azul]

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[RedStratocas]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

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Have you seen his Loose Change spoof? Its hilarious, I love the video

[Azul]

Aha, yeah. I have seen just about all his stuff, bloody brilliant read. Shame about the lack of updates just lately due to his successful comic.

[RedStratocas]

Aha, yeah. I have seen just about all his stuff, bloody brilliant read. Shame about the lack of updates just lately due to his successful comic.

Apparently he and a few other people are getting a radio show on XM

[Mentor]

They did finf them later on, but they first said that they couldn't find them and that they were probably destroyed, but that they did find the passport of the pilot.

Which is quite likely, paper is likely to have blow away when the towers collapsed, black box's although sterdy still arnt going to survive a 100 story building collapsing on top of em.

Another thing about the black boxes they did find, they didn't release all the conversations on them. The information of one of the black boxes was only released to the family once, but they were told never to talk about what they heard. The information of another black box was released, but the last 5 minutes "dissapeared."

Actually they claim its 3 minutes, and thats just down to the fact the internal timer was slightly wrong, none of it dissappeard.

That's exactly how it didn't happen. Your post shows you have little knowledge on this topic (no offence), but who ever did it didn't do it because their of religious beliefs, terrorists never act because of their religious beliefs, they just want to cause chaos and fear, they may use their religious beliefs as an excuse, but the fact that most people dissagree with how the terrorists act and their books never said about anything about suicide bombing or that terrorism is good.

Actualy in all fairness both the bible and koran do include passages which contain exactly that o.0 and religion was the motivator of the bombers, although your claim likly holds true to osarma himself, since its him and his network whom brainwashed those who did parttake in the events.

They only crashed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, no other buildings were hit by a plane. They say another plane crashed into a field which is impossible if you look at the crash scene. There are no plane parts and no bodies, the crash scene is also way too small.

Thats if you forget the half a plain wall, sections of wing, and even the greater part of one of the engines.
The fact that posativly identifed all of the bodys also says somthing as well "/

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It debunks pretty much every frame and claim of loose change, with fully sourced objective evedence. its an incredible pease of work.

[RedStratocas]

They only crashed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, no other buildings were hit by a plane. They say another plane crashed into a field which is impossible if you look at the crash scene. There are no plane parts and no bodies, the crash scene is also way too small.

Actually they did identify bodies. Just not within a day after. The article Loose Change used said there were no identified bodies, but thats because they used an article from the very next day. In the weeks to follow, they identified dozens. And the plane was INTENTIONALLY crashed, so obviously the damage would be much worse. It wasent too small. The angles Loose Change uses just makes it look small

[RedStratocas]

That's exactly how it didn't happen. Your post shows you have little knowledge on this topic (no offence), but who ever did it didn't do it because their of religious beliefs, terrorists never act because of their religious beliefs, they just want to cause chaos and fear, they may use their religious beliefs as an excuse, but the fact that most people dissagree with how the terrorists act and their books never said about anything about suicide bombing or that terrorism is good.

It did have a little to do with religion, yes. They did it because American troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia, which is against their religion.

[-Soph-]

I thought quite a lot of it was to do with religion :s