Can moderating just stay as it is

[GommeInc]

As far as I'm concerned, if it hasn't dented forum activity then it really doesn't matter where the threads are.

It didn't cause any problem before hand, other than annoy a few people who seemed ignorant of the fact that posts aren't worth much, and that the threads weren't doing any damage to the forum. They could of kept where they were, but for some reason they were removed without any actual discussion. That's why it seems a change for the sake of it.

[Chris]

It didn't cause any problem before hand, other than annoy a few people who seemed ignorant of the fact that posts aren't worth much, and that the threads weren't doing any damage to the forum. They could of kept where they were, but for some reason they were removed without any actual discussion. That's why it seems a change for the sake of it.

Well if its not having any negative effects on the forum now then wouldn't we be changing it back for the sake of it?

[GommeInc]

Well if its not having any negative effects on the forum now then wouldn't we be changing it back for the sake of it?

Not all, not when you're reverting a change for the sake of it.

So a post can't be pointless if it has over 2 words? You're just being pedantic now.

Tell the people who were labelling them pointless under the forum definition. Under the real world definition, they're also not pointless.

Yes they do.

Proof? There's no point discussin g this if you're just going to speculate :/ If they do brag, why does it matter when the ranking system makes posts worthless? It's their time they're wasting.

Don't really get what your point here is. They are superfluous, yes I agree, but they should still reflect a user's actual activity, not the amount one person can spam a thread pointlessly.

Clearly you do get my point if you agree posts are worthless. Posting in these threads is forum activity. Trying to divide forum activity into two categories is just stupid, making a new definition of a word when activity means any activity, whether it serves a purpose or not. Also, these threads weren't spammed in. If they were, they weren't doing a very good job at it if the number of posts in these threads are anything to go by, and don't forget Top Posters!

So you're suggesting rewarding and congratulating members for spamming with pointless posts? They can still post in them - like you said, post counts aren't important so why would a new member care if their post count went up or not? Your argument is full of loopholes.

They're not pointless... A quick test: What is the point of the "What are you listening to?" thread? Answer: To post what are you listening to. If post counts are keeping people active then they are important to the individual, but in the grand scheme of things, post counts are worthless when put alongside the ranking system. Your argument is full of loopholes as you simply have no evidence to back your claims up, other than what seems to be a hatred towards new members and poor diction.

If a thread doesn't promote discussion at all, then it is a spam thread, at the end of the day. Threads such as - 'Who is you favourite artist?' would promote discussion (probably) as members could compare and suggest similar artists to people who share a similar music taste.

I'd like to know where this idea that threads are only there for discussion and that they must promote it comes from. Looking at many of the threads, they all promote discussion simply by existing - reading their titles gives a sense of what the thread is about, you can't write "Let us discuss" in every thread. Also, if the forum is only forum discussion - explain the "Post when Habbo is Down" thread. it doesn't promote discussion under your definition. But of course, you make changes to suit you, as you will no doubt reply to this with "Well it serves a purpose". A huge loophole

It's down to the users to create discussion. However, forums aren't only for discussion. Look over the forum and you will see many users make just one post in a thread and leave it at that. They are not engaging in a discussion, but they are sharing ideas, thoughts, interests and hobbies which is what a forum is all about. They are still contributing to the forum by saying what they are listening to, and if they are doing that then the threads clearly have a point to them.

As for members who make 1 post then never return to the thread - the change wasn't made because of that; it was made because of the people that post thousands of times in it, boosting their post count so they can get extra privileges, and boast about it to other people. Contributing is fine; spamming is not.

I never said it was. Again, no one boasts about their post count and no-one really spams. There are no actual privileges until you get to around Gold status. If the Top Posters list is anything to go by, most big time posters are posting in other forums than these threads and contributing throughout the forum. Focusing on actual discussion seems pedantic for a forum whose demographic is teenagers - this isn't a specialist forum on a topic, it's a general use forum. Also, are you not just speculating that people are trying to gain extra privileges? Can you provide actual evidence where people are saying they are only doing it for this reason? I suspect you can't.

Think about it - what's the POINT of a 'Post what you're listening to' thread? All other threads have a point - to let people know about the latest Habbo updates; to get help fixing a technology problem; whereas the threads in the Assorted/Misc forum literally have no point to them (aka pointless which is what we class as spam) as the majority of users couldn't give a flying rat's ass what everyone else is listening to.

What's the point? Easy, the point of the "post what you are listening to" thread is to "post what you are listening to". The clue is in the title. You seem to be mistaking the word or phrase of having a "point" for some draconian word and meaning. Making up definitions shows a flaw in an argument.

[Jordan]

We did a trial run and found it has no effects. So now we know and I think it should just go back to normal because the General section of the forum looks silly with that extra sub forum.

[sex]

We did a trial run and found it has no effects. So now we know and I think it should just go back to normal because the General section of the forum looks silly with that extra sub forum.

finally someone in the mod department who has an opinion of their own lol

[The Don]

Not all, not when you're reverting a change for the sake of it.


Tell the people who were labelling them pointless under the forum definition. Under the real world definition, they're also not pointless.


Proof? There's no point discussin g this if you're just going to speculate :/ If they do brag, why does it matter when the ranking system makes posts worthless? It's their time they're wasting.


Clearly you do get my point if you agree posts are worthless. Posting in these threads is forum activity. Trying to divide forum activity into two categories is just stupid, making a new definition of a word when activity means any activity, whether it serves a purpose or not. Also, these threads weren't spammed in. If they were, they weren't doing a very good job at it if the number of posts in these threads are anything to go by, and don't forget Top Posters!


They're not pointless... A quick test: What is the point of the "What are you listening to?" thread? Answer: To post what are you listening to. If post counts are keeping people active then they are important to the individual, but in the grand scheme of things, post counts are worthless when put alongside the ranking system. Your argument is full of loopholes as you simply have no evidence to back your claims up, other than what seems to be a hatred towards new members and poor diction.


I'd like to know where this idea that threads are only there for discussion and that they must promote it comes from. Looking at many of the threads, they all promote discussion simply by existing - reading their titles gives a sense of what the thread is about, you can't write "Let us discuss" in every thread. Also, if the forum is only forum discussion - explain the "Post when Habbo is Down" thread. it doesn't promote discussion under your definition. But of course, you make changes to suit you, as you will no doubt reply to this with "Well it serves a purpose". A huge loophole

It's down to the users to create discussion. However, forums aren't only for discussion. Look over the forum and you will see many users make just one post in a thread and leave it at that. They are not engaging in a discussion, but they are sharing ideas, thoughts, interests and hobbies which is what a forum is all about. They are still contributing to the forum by saying what they are listening to, and if they are doing that then the threads clearly have a point to them.


I never said it was. Again, no one boasts about their post count and no-one really spams. There are no actual privileges until you get to around Gold status. If the Top Posters list is anything to go by, most big time posters are posting in other forums than these threads and contributing throughout the forum. Focusing on actual discussion seems pedantic for a forum whose demographic is teenagers - this isn't a specialist forum on a topic, it's a general use forum. Also, are you not just speculating that people are trying to gain extra privileges? Can you provide actual evidence where people are saying they are only doing it for this reason? I suspect you can't.


What's the point? Easy, the point of the "post what you are listening to" thread is to "post what you are listening to". The clue is in the title. You seem to be mistaking the word or phrase of having a "point" for some draconian word and meaning. Making up definitions shows a flaw in an argument.

I took part in this same discussion not long ago and this is my last post on the matter...
@Chris; There were no benefits whatsoever to justify moving those threads, the only possible outcome is that there will be less activity in those threads and therefore on the forum. Seems like a rather pointless decision since you yourself have mentioned that you only moved it for the sake of it. When the older members start dropping off you'll be left with hardly any regular users (this is going to happen regardless of these threads being moved but moving them can only act as a catalyst towards this), there is no possible way moving these threads promote forum activity (which is what you should be focussing on) rather than trying to cater for a couple of members who are annoyed by people 'pointlessly' posting in these threads as apparently there is a large amount of people boosting on here :rolleyes: We can't be picky over quality any more when the userbase is a shadow of its former self.

There's not really much point debating this @GommeInc; as there's an excuse for every logical point.

• There was a poll which favoured keeping the threads where they were

Response A Well they only voted for it to stay so they didn't lose their post count!!! (although there's no evidence to back this statement up whatsoever and even so, the reason doesn't matter considering a poll is to find out the majorities opinion, not the reason behind it)

Response B Well they didn't post in the thread so therefore their opinion is void (it's perfectly acceptable to ignore the silent majority and listen to the few outspoken members)

Response C .#%~ MANAGEMENT HAS FINAL SAY~%#. (we just made a poll for fun :rolleyes: )

[GommeInc]

We did a trial run and found it has no effects. So now we know and I think it should just go back to normal because the General section of the forum looks silly with that extra sub forum.

That's one thing that is a bit off-putting, it's quite an ugly forum with so few threads I've noticed a few people creating threads that could go in there, but they're on-topic in the forums they're posted in.

[Kyle]

Move them back, activity in them has decreased and those who posted them regularly aren't actually bothering to post in other sections like a few of them were previously.

[Chippiewill]

Move them back, activity in them has decreased and those who posted them regularly aren't actually bothering to post in other sections like a few of them were previously.

Forum statistics show that post amounts dropped negligibly (In fact it was the first week to not continue falling after the summer holiday boost), as in by 60 posts only, following the creation of the misc forum.

[GommeInc]

There seems to be a lot of support to have the threads moved back to their right place now. So much for their being no support for keeping them where they were The arguments seem far stronger than the odd few who wanted them moved in the first place.