David Cameron ambushed on Indian TV over the Koh-i-noor diamond

[Catzsy]

Oh yeah, India must be unsafe :rolleyes: Unless you have been to India, don't comment on the safety.

Just because India is safer, I don't have to return there :S :S What a stupid comment to make.
You do realise people can just pay money and sit on the queens car etc unsupervised? Great safety there isnt it :rolleyes: Plant a bomb, piss on it etc, and the staff were so corrupt they let people do it for money. Obviously you won't know as Britain is all perfect and safe. Every country has problems, and to say Britain is safer than India is laughable.

And Undertaker ... whatever you want to believe :rolleyes: and I was not talking about just taking that one diamond.

Totally agree and some of the comments made here about India and your connection with it are downright disgraceful.

The British Empire is dead - It died a long, long time ago. The big empires of the past all plundered the lands they conquered including the Romans and the Greeks. This is making a mountain out of a molehill probably to distract from Cameron's gaffes. He is becoming a new 'George Bush' although he should really know better as he seems to have some intelligence.
Loads of countries ask for their 'artifacts' back - this is just one of them and Britain is a target for this because of the 'Empire' it's as simple as that.

Just to illustrate the point:
http://www.france24.com/en/20100407-...-rosetta-stone

[Tintinnabulate]

I honestly don't care about the diamond, I really don't. Whether it was looted or gifted, it doesn't matter. I don't think it was even the country asking for it back, just a presenter asking if Cameron would return it.

I respect UK immensely as I have lived here for over 10 years but I will not sit there quietly if people made ludicrous comments about India. People seem to think India is everything it is today only because of UK. Some seem to get the idea its still full of poor people and under developed. If you have never been there, then don't comment. The media is known for just showing poor parts. I went there 3 years ago and its changed dramatically. Delhi is just wow and more beautiful than Manchester. The development is just amazing.

The only reason UK is in the position it is now is because of peoples attitude. They were extremely rich, then started giving out money to others and their own citizens like mad. A big part of the benefit system - simply stupid. Glad the conservatives are trying to fix it. Education is free, so a lot of people don't respect it at all. Minimum wage - although good for some, has not been great for businesses.

[Catzsy]

I honestly don't care about the diamond, I really don't. Whether it was looted or gifted, it doesn't matter. I don't think it was even the country asking for it back, just a presenter asking if Cameron would return it.

I respect UK immensely as I have lived here for over 10 years but I will not sit there quietly if people made ludicrous comments about India. People seem to think India is everything it is today only because of UK. Some seem to get the idea its still full of poor people and under developed. If you have never been there, then don't comment. The media is known for just showing poor parts. I went there 3 years ago and its changed dramatically. Delhi is just wow and more beautiful than Manchester. The development is just amazing.

The only reason UK is in the position it is now is because of peoples attitude. They were extremely rich, then started giving out money to others and their own citizens like mad. A big part of the benefit system - simply stupid. Glad the conservatives are trying to fix it. Education is free, so a lot of people don't respect it at all. Minimum wage - although good for some, has not been great for businesses.

Well it happens when people really don't know what they are talking about and use anedotes and stereotypes to illustrate their points. There is a lot to be said for living here, I agree.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh yeah, India must be unsafe :rolleyes: Unless you have been to India, don't comment on the safety.

Just because India is safer, I don't have to return there :S :S What a stupid comment to make.
You do realise people can just pay money and sit on the queens car etc unsupervised? Great safety there isnt it :rolleyes: Plant a bomb, piss on it etc, and the staff were so corrupt they let people do it for money. Obviously you won't know as Britain is all perfect and safe. Every country has problems, and to say Britain is safer than India is laughable.

And Undertaker ... whatever you want to believe :rolleyes: and I was not talking about just taking that one diamond.

I choose to believe history and what actually occured, and before the British came along to many places (including the French, Germans, Belgians) those places were backward and undeveloped tribal areas or as is with India and Great Qing, a set of tribal Empires collapsing as they entered the modern world.

I'm sorry because I didn't think I would say this about you but a lot of what you have said is genuinely racist.

Point out one racist thing I have said. If you actually had read the post properly you'd realise the only point I mentioned race was involving the Japanese Empire - the Japanese were a very cruel people. The whites they captured were treated in despicable ways, but the Indians/Africans they caught were treated lower than dogs hence why I questioned the sense in the Indian Congress not supporting the Raj in the war properly.

If you dispute what I say or still think I a racist, then show me where race has played a part/prove me wrong otherwise.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Internat...7361268316622/

And you do realise that UK buys from other countries too?

And I did not mean the army etc, I was talking about in general. In India they don't even use house alarms as its just not needed. I was just saying to Undertaker that India wont just misplace and lost such a huge diamond ...

Oh wait, whose government keeps losing confidential data? Damn, that's the UK.

Oh and Undertaker, you ignored my reply to "Indias should give english back to us", give us back our food then? Give romans back latin? Oh you ignored that.

oh and http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/6234358.cms

No you have mis-understood me yet again Saurav, that is my exact argument - you cannot change history and hence why I wouldn't give the diamond 'back' just as those examples you cited show the stupidity of it. The same way I would not give Hadrians Wall back to the Roman Empire. Often you are so determined to have a go at me, you actually attack me even when i'm on the same line as you.

[Moh]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Internat...7361268316622/

And you do realise that UK buys from other countries too?

And I did not mean the army etc, I was talking about in general. In India they don't even use house alarms as its just not needed. I was just saying to Undertaker that India wont just misplace and lost such a huge diamond ...

Oh wait, whose government keeps losing confidential data? Damn, that's the UK.

Oh and Undertaker, you ignored my reply to "Indias should give english back to us", give us back our food then? Give romans back latin? Oh you ignored that.

oh and http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/6234358.cms

I know the UK buy some, but about 80% - 90% are all developed in the UK.

You can't exactly prove that nobody in India uses a burglar alarm. We have a burglar alarm, but it doesn't necessarily mean we've ever been burgled.

You really don't know your own government then do you? A lot of the government in India have a criminal record, some for murder and rape. The government of India is terrible, their priorities are all wrong.

I know the media only show the bad areas - but there aren't any places in the UK half that bad.

[Tintinnabulate]

No you have mis-understood me yet again Saurav, that is my exact argument - you cannot change history and hence why I wouldn't give the diamond 'back' just as those examples you cited show the stupidity of it. The same way I would not give Hadrians Wall back to the Roman Empire. Often you are so determined to have a go at me, you actually attack me even when i'm on the same line as you.

No, a presenter asked Cameron and yourself (well the Daily Mail) decided to make a big deal out of it. The Indian government isn't asking for it so why make a big deal out of it :S. You made a huge post saying how the Indians should give you back the stuff you gave us - which is beyond stupid.

Next time a presenter here says something stupid, will you blame the whole country and start making silly comments on them? No.

You are a pet of the Daily Mail and just post whatever they post without ever using your own brain.

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I know the UK buy some, but about 80% - 90% are all developed in the UK.

You can't exactly prove that nobody in India uses a burglar alarm. We have a burglar alarm, but it doesn't necessarily mean we've ever been burgled.

You really don't know your own government then do you? A lot of the government in India have a criminal record, some for murder and rape. The government of India is terrible, their priorities are all wrong.

I know the media only show the bad areas - but there aren't any places in the UK half that bad.

All governments are corrupt - even the ones here, even the ones in USA.

Er, I have a large family in India, none of which use it and none of which know someone who uses it. I know for a fact that no none in the town I come from used it. The neighbours all look out for one another, and thus its simply not needed.

Oh sorry, Indian government must be thick and so stupid, with all their priorities wrong indeed. Thats why they survived the recession better than UK, and are becoming economically powerful. To me, it looks like you know nothing about India. You do realise why Cameron has taken so many people with him don't you? Tbh, if you did, you wouldn't be making such idiotic comments about the Indian government.

I must add however, you can get robbed on the street (like someone stealing your wallet without you knowing), but not many go into the homes and rob them.

[Tintinnabulate]

Not to mention the government here is so perfect. Oh wait no. MP's expenses... :rolleyes:
And a man easily had Tony Blair as his pet and managed to get a British Passport without living here for 5 years ... but obviously you won't remember that.

[Tash.]

What, so they just happened to develop just as we arrived? They had all been standing ontop of oil for thousands of years and never made any use of it, and even if they had - what could they have done with it? no means to get it out of the ground, nothing to use to power with it - just a useless thick black substance. The same goes for the diamonds in Africa, no use for them before we came, no value of them - had no clue/no methods of how to extract them from the ground.

Look at pictures of India, look at its bridges its towns - the same goes for Singapore/Pakistan/Burma and the rest of the colonial world - nothing there before the Europeans came and more so the British who often put investment back into the colonies as opposed to the Portugese, Spanish, French and the Belgians (prime example of this is British Hong Kong compared to Portugese Macao.

As for Africa yes it was thriving under the British Empire, look at it now and its going backwards. Apartheid was damn wrong agreed, but under both Apartheid and whilst part of the British Empire South Africa was thriving - Zimbabwe was known as the 'breadbasket of Africa' until their independence. India on the other hand has only just started mondernising and developing, the same goes for Pakistan under Musharraf.

They spout on about independence yet we are still paying for them to waste money on space programmes (India), nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan), tribal wars and conflicts (Africa) and crime (South Africa). The same goes for the idea that Nelson Mandela was some sort of hero for South Africa, both he and the ANC were nothing but terrorists who killed innocent people (not the regime) using a variety of sick and brutal methods.

Check out necklacing, I wouldn't wish that on Hitler himself.

You've completely misread or misunderstood what I was saying. I don't doubt that the British Empire did some wonderful things for countries such as India (roads, bridges etc) but what i'm saying, and what you seem to be incinuating (correct me if i'm wrong here) is that without that interference on our part they wouldn't have managed to modernise themselves. Yes as it is we took over and did it for them, but how exactly do you know and I quote, that:

If the Empire had not been in existence then I could bet on my life they [Africa/Asia/South America/North America/Austrialia/New Zealand] would still be running around the jungles and on the vast uncultivated plains with spears

I'll answer it for you, you don't. Its the same presumptious tripe you usually spout on other topics on this forum and as usual its misinformed and derived mainly from your misguided loyalty to people and organisations which are, in my view, wholly selfish about the British people.

You were also talking about if they wanted the diamond back they should 'give us back our roads, bridges etc' and why exactly is that? If you believe, as you suggest, that the British Empire genuinely invaded these countries to help them modernise then why are you demanding something back which we (with their help I might add) built for that countries good?

Back to something else you said anyway, to prove my point a little further about your sentiments. It's correct that at the time we invaded the countries which became part of the British Empire they did not have the ability to remove oil or diamonds from the ground. You seem to be saying that because we 'helped' them do this, and by helped I mean exploited and sold on for our profit, them get them from the ground this has made the world and the countries in question a better place. Wrong again. As you can see, the western world has only become more greedy for oil as you like to point out when talking about the reasons behind the Iraq war.

On to Africa. Yes it does seem that since the British Empire disolved and the African countries gained independence that they have 'gone backwards'. Well I hate to say it, but how much of this is our fault anyway? We took from them what we needed, providing only the very least we could in return and then left. Great. Providing aid to these countries is the least we can do now, even if it wasn't something we are obliged to do its only human nature (or at least decent people's human nature) to want to help those in need. Whether you are one of these people is debatable considering the views you've expressed here.

And finally, I don't know if i'm misreading here but you seem to be saying that although you believe Apartheid was wrong it helped South Africa? I don't even need to say whats wrong with that statement, anyone with a brain will realise its entirely false and the backlash from it still causes racial tensions today.

[Swastika]

Oh yeah, India must be unsafe :rolleyes: Unless you have been to India, don't comment on the safety.

Just because India is safer, I don't have to return there :S :S What a stupid comment to make.
You do realise people can just pay money and sit on the queens car etc unsupervised? Great safety there isnt it :rolleyes: Plant a bomb, piss on it etc, and the staff were so corrupt they let people do it for money. Obviously you won't know as Britain is all perfect and safe. Every country has problems, and to say Britain is safer than India is laughable.

And Undertaker ... whatever you want to believe :rolleyes: and I was not talking about just taking that one diamond.

Unless you've been inside the Tower of London, don't comment on it's safety then if your going to play like that?
How do you know India is safer than the UK? :S Your saying it asif its cast iron truth, when in fact it's anything but. Stop thinking India is top notch on safety standards just because you get offended when somebody mentions something bad about it for goodness sake.
I acknowledge that the UK's safety isn't amazing, i think you need to get off your high horse and notice some bad points about your oh so amazing India. :rolleyes:

[Tintinnabulate]

Unless you've been inside the Tower of London, don't comment on it's safety then if your going to play like that?
How do you know India is safer than the UK? :S Your saying it asif its cast iron truth, when in fact it's anything but. Stop thinking India is top notch on safety standards just because you get offended when somebody mentions something bad about it for goodness sake.
I acknowledge that the UK's safety isn't amazing, i think you need to get off your high horse and notice some bad points about your oh so amazing India. :rolleyes:

Because I have lived in both countries? I have said you can get robbed on the street in India but your house is not as likely to get robbed as here ...
However, Undertaker seems to think they are idiots who will "lose" the diamond.

No, I am not having a go because someone mentioned something bad. I am having a go as half the comments are ludicrous. Ohhh Indians would be running around with spears if it wasn't for the UK. Ohhhh they are so dumb, they will lose such a big diamond. Ohh their government is so corrupt that they have no clue about policies.