Lord Tebbit urges by-election voters to back UKIP in attempt to derail Lib Dems

[Nationalism]

There won't be a revolution at all, simply the back and forth from red to blue as has always been and always will.

I disagree.
One day we must wake up and see that the poison which is the EU, is not best for our country and that we are better suited without it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There won't be a revolution at all, simply the back and forth from red to blue as has always been and always will.

Whether a revolution comes at the ballot box or another way is unknown, however if you look at membership of the main two political parties the membership has been rapidly falling (even for the Conservative Party which was apparently 'regenerated' from Camerons election as leader in 2005, membership has been in freefall). I'm keen on the Peter Hitchens description of them both, that they are similar to two dead bodies propped up against one another - once one falls, the other does.

To add to that, although the polls don't show it (purposely); the biggest voting group is 'none'.

[alexxxxx]

As a BNP voter,i am BNP.

ah i thought all this nazi stuff you had one was actually just a joke, i didn't actually know you were one.

in this by-election I hope neither the lib-dems or the tories win the seat. i think there might be a v low turnout so wouldn't be surprised if UKIP sneaked a seat.

the BNP are a joke & UKIP everso slightly less. not read an awful lot about the pirate party apart from its stance on privacy laws so i guess i'd prefer them to win than any of them. a labour win would be OK.

oh and nationalism (not Dan), could you explain your reasons (in detail) why you don't like the EU.

[Nationalism]

ah i thought all this nazi stuff you had one was actually just a joke, i didn't actually know you were one.

The BNP are far from the Nazi party - and being a fan of the BNP doesn't make you a Nazi.

When you can string a paragraph together without insulting me and without insulting the BNP then you might get somewhere within a debate/argument.
I guess you must've forgot your not supposed to insult people or their political beliefs here, or does that not apply to you?

I'll write up, in detail at your request, why the European Union is a super-state wannabe monster eating our money later when i have some free time.

[alexxxxx]

The BNP are far from the Nazi party - and being a fan of the BNP doesn't make you a Nazi.

When you can string a paragraph together without insulting me and without insulting the BNP then you might get somewhere within a debate/argument.
I guess you must've forgot your not supposed to insult people or their political beliefs here, or does that not apply to you?

I'll write up, in detail at your request, why the European Union is a super-state wannabe monster eating our money later when i have some free time.

You have national socialism in german in your sig, which is the ideology of the nazi's (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) - what am i to expect!? When the BNP have said they are very nationalist and are socialist!

I look forward to your well sourced and referenced piece

[Catzsy]

Yes there will, many people are getting sick to their back teeth of being told what to do by un-elected morons from the EU, who steal our money every single day

It's people who are un-patriotic, ignorant and un-informed who can't see that.
A revolution is bound to happen in politics and it will happen one day soon, in my opinion.
If you disagree with BNP policies, then good for you, however nobody mentioned the BNP - just you, you must see the BNP as a threat or something, i do not know.
If you disagree with national service, strict immigration, no "global warming & climate change" taxations, re-patriotising foreign nationals who enter here illegally, providing a better country for our elderly and not making cuts in any of the emergency services (just to name a few) - then that's entirely upto you.

What about the rest of the manifesto? Anyway, you said you supported the BNP so obviously I then surmise that is what you are talking about. You said:

Yes, i would back UKIP electorally and strategically, but i am defiantly not a pro-UKIP voter, i am BNP.

I don't see the BNP as a threat at all - they are just a party with delusions of grandeur of their support within this country. I say again there will be no revolution. The EU is elected although I do feel that it is too bureaucratic and the party that comes up with a way to streamline this will get a lot of votes but the people of this country are not going to rise up because if that. Saying that Britain should just 'withdraw' is just 'pie in the sky' - somebody has to come up with a viable alternative and tell the people of this country what it is and how they will be affected.

It's people who are un-patriotic, ignorant and un-informed who can't see that.

Tbh I do not find you particularly well informed. It seems you you soak in the rhetoric rantings of the far right as shown by your quote above.

[Fez]

I've been chatting with a few PPUK activists and a few groups going around Oldham, over Twitter, and apparently the goal of our campaigning is perhaps not to win a seat but...

1) Establish a presence in the area and the wider media
2) Hunt down other more 'viable' candidates who will likely win the seat, who will have other political figures nearby, talk to them about our core policies and needs.
3) Establish a relationship with the voters.

So essentially our aim here is not to win the seat, but to secure a candidate in the seat who will hold up the same values as we do and spread them. This is pretty much what the party has wanted to achieve in its early days anyway, sprinkle a few members throughout parliament to talk to their peers and get the ball moving. I would never label us as viable to govern the country, with the party being so young, but to make decisions and raise awareness of issues such as surveillance, legality of filesharing and general freedom of speech is at the core of the party. If we manage to win the Oldham seat I will be shocked, surprised and oh so proud; but it's very unlikely. More than likely we'll still get a higher vote % then we did in the general election perhaps overall (0.34% overall vote of the full country, 1400 votes).

[Catzsy]

I've been chatting with a few PPUK activists and a few groups going around Oldham, over Twitter, and apparently the goal of our campaigning is perhaps not to win a seat but...

1) Establish a presence in the area and the wider media
2) Hunt down other more 'viable' candidates who will likely win the seat, who will have other political figures nearby, talk to them about our core policies and needs.
3) Establish a relationship with the voters.

So essentially our aim here is not to win the seat, but to secure a candidate in the seat who will hold up the same values as we do and spread them. This is pretty much what the party has wanted to achieve in its early days anyway, sprinkle a few members throughout parliament to talk to their peers and get the ball moving. I would never label us as viable to govern the country, with the party being so young, but to make decisions and raise awareness of issues such as surveillance, legality of filesharing and general freedom of speech is at the core of the party. If we manage to win the Oldham seat I will be shocked, surprised and oh so proud; but it's very unlikely. More than likely we'll still get a higher vote % then we did in the general election perhaps overall (0.34% overall vote of the full country, 1400 votes).

Well if you can get enough votes not to lose your deposit that is a good result for such a young party.

[Nationalism]

What about the rest of the manifesto? Anyway, you said you supported the BNP so obviously I then surmise that is what you are talking about. You said: I don't see the BNP as a threat at all - they are just a party with delusions of grandeur of their support within this country. I say again there will be no revolution. The EU is elected although I do feel that it is too bureaucratic and the party that comes up with a way to streamline this will get a lot of votes but the people of this country are not going to rise up because if that. Saying that Britain should just 'withdraw' is just 'pie in the sky' - somebody has to come up with a viable alternative and tell the people of this country what it is and how they will be affected.

Tbh I do not find you particularly well informed. It seems you you soak in the rhetoric rantings of the far right as shown by your quote above.

What about the rest of it? I said to name a few, i wasn't going to name the whole manifesto to prove a point now was i?
The BNP do give extremely good answers as to why our country should withdraw from the EU, aswell as UKIP do (if not, better).
Everybody knows deep down that the EU is a super-state ideology that will be far worse than any "Nazi" ideology of a "Germania", but time and time again - you all use this "Nazi" and "Hitler" thing against whatever i say.
There are already two fantastic alternatives to pro-EU parties, these are UKIP & the BNP.
I could sit here and chat all day about how the BNP aren't skinhead fascist scum but are in fact a serious political party that is interested in British interests and British interests alone.

Your last statement, i took offence to - i am not well informed? Why? Because i have different beliefs to you?
At least i am loyal to what i believe in, can i ask which party, political movement or even which "wing" you believe in?
Let me guess, you don't support any party or political movement. :frustrated:

[Catzsy]

What about the rest of it? I said to name a few, i wasn't going to name the whole manifesto to prove a point now was i?
The BNP do give extremely good answers as to why our country should withdraw from the EU, aswell as UKIP do (if not, better).
Everybody knows deep down that the EU is a super-state ideology that will be far worse than any "Nazi" ideology of a "Germania", but time and time again - you all use this "Nazi" and "Hitler" thing against whatever i say.
There are already two fantastic alternatives to pro-EU parties, these are UKIP & the BNP.
I could sit here and chat all day about how the BNP aren't skinhead fascist scum but are in fact a serious political party that is interested in British interests and British interests alone.

Your last statement, i took offence to - i am not well informed? Why? Because i have different beliefs to you?
At least i am loyal to what i believe in, can i ask which party, political movement or even which "wing" you believe in?
Let me guess, you don't support any party or political movement. :frustrated:

I am a active labour supporter. always have been, and if you don't know that then you are really not very well informed as it is very well known on here. As far as UKIP are concerned yes they do have some okay policies but the BNP whilst they maybe a serious political party , having looked at the BNP manifesto, on many occasions, I can say that they are most certainly facist and have racist views/policies and only have the indigenous people of Britain interests at heart. I don't stoop so low as to call anybody scum.