Account Deletion

[Richie]

Here's my thoughts on it:

the OCD; I don't believe this is feasible. For OCD I don't think it's possible to manifest such a thought to work towards something then destroy it. Ie, I don't believe it would actually make sense for someone (especially with OCD) to do something then do the opposite. It's not a normal trait because if you think of main-stream OCD as it's known with cleaning that's essentially sterilising an area then flinging dirt and faeces everywhere to start again - it's destructive and against the grain of what OCD compels normally. I guess it's possible but HIGHLY unlikely.

the DPA; There's a barrage of information surrounding and containing DPA. Most of it is inconcequencial here but to re-cap over the information you would need to fully grasp why it's not likely, compelled by law nor neccessary.

* Under DPA the information he would be implying would be information he can access. His only 'personal' information in which he could hold protest to would be his own personal profile. His IP is of course his own personal information but Habbox are not compelled to remove it as it's not accessable nor given out as that would of course be highly unethical. As such, only trusted members of staff could/are able to access such information. So the information in which he could demand to be removed is only the information he can EASILY remove.

* when he signed up, he agreed to the terms and conditions of Habbox, which included the fact that any information he adds to our community is owned intellectually at least by habbox and they're under no obligation to change/do such a thing under request for accounts as they still own them and of course the information left on them (ie the posts).

* legally under EU/international law the information in which wouldn't be surrounded/encased under DPA protection is such things as his IP and unseen information on which he has left a trace - this is under eu law for such thing as eBullying/grooming/predatory/illegal behaviour(s). Any information removed with the intention to hide any action would be accessory after the fact... but that's going too far into it!


Essentially the information on anyone's account is either deletable by them (personal information), removed (if you post information on this forum technically if it's personal it's removable under our rules) or shouldn't be removed ethically under the guidance of internet laws especially for monitoring of illegal behaviours - matt and/or his team need to store information for a 'reasonable time' in case any such behaviour arrises as they're obligied to act upon it.

Either way, it's invalid, silly and not even correct. DPA is being complied with and OCD wouldn't effect anything under that request.

Isn't there some sort of law were you can't agree to something without a parents consent if you're under the age of 18? Even today it doesn't mention anything about getting your parents permission to agree to the T&C, i could be talking a load of ****.

[Chippiewill]

You know if you are citing data protection maybe you should refer us to the actual clause that Habbox is violating and also the country that Habbox would be sued in.

I never said I was citing data protection or that there does in fact exist such a clause, I was expressing concern that such a clause may exist. Also I have no idea where the Habbox servers are located and therefore no idea what laws it would come under.

Isn't there some sort of law were you can't agree to something without a parents consent if you're under the age of 18? Even today it doesn't mention anything about getting your parents permission to agree to the T&C, i could be talking a load of ****.

I think that *might* be true but only up to the age of legal responsibility.

[Casanova]

and then the argument of where juristiction would come in.
I believe it would be EU.

Either way, he agreed to t&c and if he breached the rules that no one's liability but his own. He doesn't need a parent to sign up to the forum as it doesn't provide any financial benefit to anyone.

[-Danube-]

Isn't there some sort of law were you can't agree to something without a parents consent if you're under the age of 18? Even today it doesn't mention anything about getting your parents permission to agree to the T&C, i could be talking a load of ****.

I think thats just for things which it is felt you are not old enough to consent to yourself (sexual content or things to do with money/marriage etc.... although i doubt your parents would give you consent to access most, if any, sexual content on the internet!) Obviously this being a community mainly aimed at 'young adults'/teenagers then it's something you could consent to without your parents i would think.

Tbh you could search through hundreds of silly laws that are still in place today, that the government just hasn't removed, that would contradict most things that we do today.

But like others have said, Habbox isn't infringing on the Data protection act. That only applies to personal information, i remember having to do the DPA training for work and it said something along the lines of that a company can store personal information of a person for as long as they see fit aslong as they have reason to do so. They cannot share your information with other parties without your prior consent (eg the tick boxes when you sign something). I think it also states that a person can demand to see personal information, about themselves, from a company and you can also demand to change anything which is incorrect. You also have the right to ask a company to remove any personal data they keep about you.

About the only personal data habbox keep about it's members is an email address and ip address. Like scott said, if he requested we remove his email we'd have no issue with that.

Any other personal data placed on an account would be placed on the profile by the user and so they can remove this themselves. Posts on the forum however are not personal information and so by agreeing to the Terms and Conditions of the site, you are agree that you cannot have your account deleted.

So it's nothing to do with DPA really, it's all covered by the Terms and Conditions you sign.

Thats my view on things anyway.

[Stephen]

I think thats just for things which it is felt you are not old enough to consent to yourself (sexual content or things to do with money/marriage etc.... although i doubt your parents would give you consent to access most, if any, sexual content on the internet!) Obviously this being a community mainly aimed at 'young adults'/teenagers then it's something you could consent to without your parents i would think.

Tbh you could search through hundreds of silly laws that are still in place today, that the government just hasn't removed, that would contradict most things that we do today.

But like others have said, Habbox isn't infringing on the Data protection act. That only applies to personal information, i remember having to do the DPA training for work and it said something along the lines of that a company can store personal information of a person for as long as they see fit aslong as they have reason to do so. They cannot share your information with other parties without your prior consent (eg the tick boxes when you sign something). I think it also states that a person can demand to see personal information, about themselves, from a company and you can also demand to change anything which is incorrect. You also have the right to ask a company to remove any personal data they keep about you.

About the only personal data habbox keep about it's members is an email address and ip address. Like scott said, if he requested we remove his email we'd have no issue with that.

Any other personal data placed on an account would be placed on the profile by the user and so they can remove this themselves. Posts on the forum however are not personal information and so by agreeing to the Terms and Conditions of the site, you are agree that you cannot have your account deleted.

So it's nothing to do with DPA really, it's all covered by the Terms and Conditions you sign.

Thats my view on things anyway.

who are you?

Edited by Catz (Forum Super Moderator): Please stay on-topic. Thanks

[Catzsy]

I never said I was citing data protection or that there does in fact exist such a clause, I was expressing concern that such a clause may exist. Also I have no idea where the Habbox servers are located and therefore no idea what laws it would come under.

So what does this mean then?
I

'm fairly certain it's illegal not to delete all the data related to their account if they request it.

Why make a thread when basically you are basing the whole thing on what you think you know? Some research would have been good as you are the OP.

In any event the only personal data would be his email address really so that could be deleted. I can't see a reason at all to change the whole T&Cs for one case.

[Chippiewill]

So what does this mean then?

Means to some degree of certainty that's what I think might be true?

Why make a thread when basically you are basing the whole thing on what you think you know? Some research would have been good as you are the OP.

Because doing research takes time when making a thread takes seconds and people either do it for you or already know.

In any event the only personal data would be his email address really so that could be deleted. I can't see a reason at all to change the whole T&Cs for one case.

Actually Habbox logs IPs so that could also certainly be requested for deletion.

Although, this does beg the question. Is there any good reason as to why Habbox should refuse to delete my account (Not posts)

[Catzsy]

Means to some degree of certainty that's what I think might be true?


Because doing research takes time when making a thread takes seconds and people either do it for you or already know.


Actually Habbox logs IPs so that could also certainly be requested for deletion.

Well you have a point about the IP not that it shows the address of anybody but that's all that would be required I guess.

[Casanova]

It's unfair, you could post defamatory information and no one would have the valid information to then debate your ideologies or thoughts.
It breaches the integrity of the forum and if you have an issue with posting on a forum you should never join.

If anyone reads the T&C they'd notice their posts are their contributory factor to the forum/owners. It's not their property as such, they're the author but it's the forum's.

[The Don]

My first account got deleted

It would be handy if there was a feature where general management could make a user account invisible to the public, but it would still be visible to super moderators/general management.