Fur Coats - Yes or no?

[-:Undertaker:-]

You seem to be struggling to understand that no such views have come forward yet, you're putting up your guard already when no bullets have been fired. Chill.

Well I prefer to give my opinion on all of the topic in one post you see.

And yet you've once again managed to derail a thread with your incessant ramblings about unimportant details.

Ironic, a read of this would do you well.

Back on topic now please?

Thank heavens, I welcome it.

[Futz]

As before, the debate naturally gravitates towards that all the time because staunch animal rights activists are often unable to accept the fact that we're anything but seal smashing aristocrats.



I merely touched upon it dear.



So am I right in saying that you don't think we should control whether people wear fur or not?

We dont though

[-:Undertaker:-]

We dont though

No but i'm asking what you personally think of it as I get the hint you'd like to in your response to what I said about meat eating and waste.

It has to be said also on fur and even meat eating, that a great number of animals would have to be put down/culled often anyway as many are pests/are farmed - take away the fur industry, and they'd still be killed just the fur would go to waste and the taxpayer would be likely to foot the bill as the cull would no longer be profitable yet would still have to be carried out. The same goes for those who are against fox hunting + horse racing - most of these animals would still have to be culled regardless.

[Judas]

No you can't, you can't change scientific facts, if you compared the health (every aspect) of someone with the best meat based diet possible and someone with the best vegan based diet possible, the meat eater would come out on top. In my first post I was refering to alternatives to fur such as cotton or faux fur, it serves the same benefit. You can't compare that to a vegan vs meat diet as they dont serve the same benefit

Because I took a tone of 'screw them all' that meant i was 'complaining', ????? no chance

Any sources to back that up? I'm not denying what you're saying is true but I could pull some "facts" out of my ass to make my argument look better too.

You aren't gonna get ill at all just by being a vegan. If your claims of us having "optimum health" by having a meat diet are valid, then that's still putting humans on a pedestal over animals anyway. "Oh, we can survive without them, but just to make sure let's slaughter all these animals." The animal is still dying for human benefit no matter which way you slice it (no pun intended)

[Futz]

No but i'm asking what you personally think of it as I get the hint you'd like to in your response to what I said about meat eating and waste.

We shouldn't control it but it'd sure be nice if people shared the view that fur coats are a novelty and wasting food is something that should be avoided. My comment "I can't control that" was about how I it would be impossible and unfair to control food waste

---------- Post added 18-08-2012 at 11:18 PM ----------

Any sources to back that up? I'm not denying what you're saying is true but I could pull some "facts" out of my ass to make my argument look better too.

You aren't gonna get ill at all just by being a vegan. If your claims of us having "optimum health" by having a meat diet are valid, then that's still putting humans on a pedestal over animals anyway. "Oh, we can survive without them, but just to make sure let's slaughter all these animals." The animal is still dying for human benefit no matter which way you slice it (no pun intended)

I don't know what you're arguing anymore, animals strive for health too why do you think they kill each other, it's not putting anyone over a pedestal, its the circle of life. We can survive without them but not at the same level

"The animal is still dying for human benefit" i thought this was a given

[Judas]

I don't know what you're arguing anymore, animals strive for health too why do you think they kill each other, it's not putting anyone over a pedestal, its the circle of life. We can survive without them but not at the same level

"The animal is still dying for human benefit" i thought this was a given

Still no difference between fur and everything else we use from animals though

[Futz]

Still no difference between fur and everything else we use from animals though

fur = cosmetic
meat = useful

@under
the fur coats are usually those of exotic animals

[Judas]

fur = cosmetic
meat = useful

Then what about the use of leather, ivory, wool etc? Same concept. Even the use of animals in other areas like greyhound racing. Are you against all those things as well? If so then fine, that's your opinion. But what I'm trying to get at here is the hypocrisy when it comes to denouncing fur.

[Futz]

Then what about the use of leather, ivory, wool etc? Same concept. Even the use of animals in other areas like greyhound racing. Are you against all those things as well? If so then fine, that's your opinion. But what I'm trying to get at here is the hypocrisy when it comes to denouncing fur.

Just my opinion mang it isn't the same for everything, with leather, i'm not bothered too much since the cow will be used for meat so as i said before may aswell use the rest of the carcas, ivory is just hell no, pretty sure the world is against that, wool (presuming its from a good place) is just using resources of an animal and in return food water and shelter, from what I know greyhound racing is a dark buisness on which i have no knowledge of but i'd probably be against their methods

opinions are varied for different things man, you presume i'm "merrrr animals omg stop crewlty der dur derp" kind of tree hugger

[Judas]

Just my opinion mang it isn't the same for everything, with leather, i'm not bothered too much since the cow will be used for meat so as i said before may aswell use the rest of the carcas, ivory is just hell no, pretty sure the world is against that, wool (presuming its from a good place) is just using resources of an animal and in return food water and shelter, from what I know greyhound racing is a dark buisness on which i have no knowledge of but i'd probably be against their methods

opinions are varied for different things man, you presume i'm "merrrr animals omg stop crewlty der dur derp" kind of tree hugger

No I don't presume anything about you, I was just trying to understand your general stance on things