Labour: White boys underachievement linked to mass migration

[karter]

That's an appallingly racist statement to make.



In all seriousness, i'd like to know what the moderators and commentators on here would say if you'd have said black boys.

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let me knock a few gems of your white crown and tell you why racism against "white people" does not exist. do not break open this post while replying, if you wanna reply read the whole thing first.


“oppression can only be seen by the eye of the oppressed and not the oppressor.”

first of all memorise this statement, and before you say the white boy statement offended you, educate yourself. You have the long end of the stick in the social hierarchy you should not be looking for reasons to demean yourself, stop trying to BE the victim when you know you clearly are not. Rather check your privilege, because you belittle real oppression people face by trying to equally balance your white feelings getting hurt.

By now you've probably googled 'racism' or something, let me save you the trouble

Racism = racial prejudice + systemic and institutional power

Now there's more to racism than getting your feelings hurt, and of course coloured people can be prejudiced against white people. But they do not have the power to oppress them, not in the first world anyway (nor in any other country that I know of). Coloured people can only carry out personal racial prejudice, not racism. Now this 'WHITE POWER!!!!' attitude you have is probably a result of shock, you people have had the historical access and advantage but now the time comes to share the power, you get offended.

Then comes the question why aren't the same things applicable on coloured people too? If I speak against them why is it considered racism? Because these statements trivializes the pain and reality of racism they continue to face no matter how much you deny. It's the truth and you know it.

RACISM“Any attitude, action or institutional structure which subordinates a person or group because of their color … Racism is not just a matter of attitudes; actions and institutional structures can also be a form of racism.”

—from RACISM IN AMERICA AND HOW TO COMBAT IT, U.S. commission on Civil Rights

Are you sticking up for the definition of racism which is only convenient for you????? Which ignores the harsh pain and reality of millions of people being victims of racism? are you so afraid to be labelled as racist that you twist the definition and refuse to acknowledge the actual effects of racism??

DO NOT. diminish the experiences of coloured people and telling the story of your hardship. Your cloud of denial is not letting you get educated about the truth, you keep minimizing their experience in order to make yours comparable and we both know what the intensity of each situation is.

Before you start denying your white privilege, let me tell you that you still benefit from the system which gives you 0 right to tell what's oppressive and what isn't. If you refuse to acknowledge your privilege, it will further alienate you from your obvious racist behaviour. You never get called out on your deeds and your privilege and when you finally are, you think it's 'racism'. People educate you on the reality of the situation, but nope, that's racist according to you.

Finally after all this, if you say "How can a guy sitting in India teach me about racism? India itself is a very racist state". Let me tell you that I have lived in NJ for three years, my mother has spent more than half of her life in USA and I could narrate you my share of experience of being a victim of racism. YET I still know what racism is and you don't. Sure, a lot of Indians are racist but are you really going to satisfy yourself and your racist ways by that rhetoric? Well, good luck to you and your 'you're all whiny idiots and have nothing on me, the enlightened one' attitude.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh dear this thread was all going so well and then you pulled out the tumblr nonsense that is the "power + prejudice" argument - the definition not accepted by any genuine body or dictionary which makes it possible to say "I'm oppressed and if you tell me I'm not it's because you're privileged", and claims that beating a white person to death for being white isn't as bad as beating a black person to death for being black because despite being dead that white person was still somehow in a position of privilege over absolutely every non-white person in the entire universe. I agree that Dan has no idea what racism is but apparently neither do you if that's the definition you like to use

[karter]

Oh dear this thread was all going so well and then you pulled out the tumblr nonsense that is the "power + prejudice" argument - the definition not accepted by any genuine body or dictionary which makes it possible to say "I'm oppressed and if you tell me I'm not it's because you're privileged", and claims that beating a white person to death for being white isn't as bad as beating a black person to death for being black because despite being dead that white person was still somehow in a position of privilege over absolutely every non-white person in the entire universe. I agree that Dan has no idea what racism is but apparently neither do you if that's the definition you like to use

I was trying to show him that he is sticking up for the definition of racism and I am sticking up for mine

Also get educated on 'racism' and 'racial hatred' and know how your white guy beaten to death statement is very wrong. Goodbye

[FlyingJesus]

Wow ok you literally just told me that the life of any random white person means less than the life of any random non-white person. You're an idiot who needs to log off tumblr and try using logic rather than just telling people to "get educated" while you ignore reality

[karter]

Wow ok you literally just told me that the life of any random white person means less than the life of any random non-white person.

Where did that come from?

You need to stop trying to equalize both parties here by a hypothetical example of a white guy beaten to death by a black guy. Tell me when you have a valid argument otherwise you can shut up too

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If you really need me to specifically add this so obvious comment:

"Racial hatred does exist against white people in fact it can exist for anyone" *crowd cheering*

They still cannot be victims of racism. *crowd boos*

[Kardan]

@karter; would you say that discrimination by religion is racism or not?

[karter]

and claims that beating a white person to death for being white isn't as bad as beating a black person to death for being black because despite being dead that white person was still somehow in a position of privilege over absolutely every non-white person in the entire universe.

Really? Which definition claims racial crimes are Okay as long as the oppressors are the target? will you quote it for me?

This ain't a claim, it's an assumption (pretty crap one too) and you felt the need to say it because you couldn't figure out the meaning of racism either.

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@karter; would you say that discrimination by religion is racism or not?

It's along the same line, if one religious group is oppressing another

However I do see that a certain race can have different religions, the oppression works in the same way though, not sure if you can term that as 'racism' there or not.

[Kardan]

Really? Which definition claims racial crimes are Okay as long as the oppressors are the target? will you quote it for me?

This ain't a claim, it's an assumption (pretty crap one too) and you felt the need to say it because you couldn't figure out the meaning of racism either.

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It's along the same line, if one religious group is oppressing another

However I do see that a certain race can have different religions, the oppression works in the same way though, not sure if you can term that as 'racism' there or not.

So where are your thoughts on the Jews being slaughtered during the Holocaust?

[karter]

So where are your thoughts on the Jews being slaughtered during the Holocaust?

Jews are a religious group with a different ethnic background, so yes it was racism

Not to mention Hitler's 'Aryan' Race theory - fair skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed being pure and others being impure

[FlyingJesus]

Where did that come from?

You need to stop trying to equalize both parties here by a hypothetical example of a white guy beaten to death by a black guy. Tell me when you have a valid argument otherwise you can shut up too

It came from you saying that my statement was wrong when I was saying that both are racism. Fairly basic stuff, this.

If you really need me to specifically add this so obvious comment:

"Racial hatred does exist against white people in fact it can exist for anyone" *crowd cheering*

They still cannot be victims of racism. *crowd boos*

Racial hatred IS racism you absolute dong. You cannot just make up definitions for things that already exist. If I say that my personal definition of a horse is a racist victim-blamer who erases the suffering of millions of people simply because of how they were born that doesn't make you an actual horse, it just means my definition is wrong

Really? Which definition claims racial crimes are Okay as long as the oppressors are the target? will you quote it for me?

This ain't a claim, it's an assumption (pretty crap one too) and you felt the need to say it because you couldn't figure out the meaning of racism either.

Your one - or rather the one you parroted from some fired-up social inactivist from the web. You outright state that white people cannot experience racism (because every single one of them has much more power than any non-white person to have ever existed obv) and since racist acts are illegal your definition allows for actions against white folks to be perfectly legal when they wouldn't be for non-whites. It's really quite simple