Labour: White boys underachievement linked to mass migration

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...migration.html

Labour: White boys' underachievement linked to mass migration

Tristram Hunt links underachievement by white boys to Eastern European immigration

The last Labour government failed to provide vocational education because it believed in a “myth” that Britain was a “post-industrial nation”, Mr Hunt said.

The failure of white boys to succeed at school is linked to uncontrolled immigration from Eastern Europe, Labour’s shadow education secretary has suggested.

Tristram Hunt, the former television historian, said the low attainment of white British boys, particularly those living on England’s east coast, was linked to high levels of migration from the EU.

More must be done to train indigenous Britons for skilled jobs, Mr Hunt said, admitting the last Labour Government got its immigration forecasts “badly wrong”. The children of Pakistani immigrants are now alarmed at the rate of migration from Eastern Europe.

His comments come days before people from Romania and Bulgaria are granted the right to work in Britain without restrictions, following the lifting of transitional controls on January 1.

“I’m influenced by my time as MP for Stoke-on-Trent. I remember talking to a young, second-generation Pakistani British lad who was concerned about the speed of change in the community as a result of the failure to introduce controlled migration from the EU accession states last time,” Mr Hunt said in an interview for Fabian Review.

“I think the answer is partly on the supply side. We’ve got to make sure that we’re training our young people for jobs [in which they will] succeed [but] the real fear is that we got the numbers wrong last time, the statistics were poorly produced and policy flowed from that.”

“What we can do in the education sphere is to [show] that there is a growing issue of white British boys not getting the education they want,” Mr Hunt said, highlighting low attainment in schools in Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and on the Kent coast which have seen high levels of EU migration.

Asked whether he thinks the two issues are linked, he said: “Exactly. And that comes back to the supply side. We have to get in there.”

His analysis mirrors that of David Cameron, who has described curbing immigration, raising standards in schools and reducing welfare dependency as a “three-sided coin” to the problem of improving Britain's economic fortunes

The last Labour government failed to provide vocational education because it believed in a “myth” that Britain was a “post-industrial nation”, Mr Hunt said.

“In 1997 the focus was on standards and expansion of the higher education sector. We all thought the knowledge economy was the answer and that financial services would keep going forever.”

He said he was “shocked” to be promoted to the shadow cabinet by Ed Miliband and admitted that Labour had been dominated in the education debate by Michael Gove. The education secretary is a “zealot” with a “highly aggressive, investment banker model of schooling,” he said. He added: “There is a lot of Michael. If we’ve lost any ground it is disturbing.”

Wow imagine if another party like say..... UKIP had said this? Just a few years back if you warned of mass immigration or said even the slightest thing negative about it then you were shouted down as a racist, xenophobe etc by Labour and the other two main parties. How times change, and I wonder why that is? And just a few months before the elections too.. Mhmmmm.

Either way, of course he's got a point - although i'm unsure what skin colour has to do with it (although there is a link in terms of performance rates from stats i've read in the past). The point is though that British youngsters of all colours are being driven out of the job market by flooding the country with workers, mainly from Eastern Europe, and this surely can't be healthy. Not to mention wage rates being depressed by allowing cheap workers in from foreign countries. It's a slap in the face to the working/lower middle classes.

As the former Labour Foreign and Home Secretaries warned a few months ago, we face the possibility of riots in this country if this open door policy continues. Because when you leave hundreds of thousands of angry youths on the unemployment heap whilst you hand out jobs to foreigners, of course they're going to get very pissed off.

Thoughts?

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I wouldn't say that the lower grades of White British boys is caused by immigration, and it would have been nice to have seen some sort of proof, but the guy simply says that 'Look, A is low here, and B is high here, so that means A and B must be related'. It's pretty obvious that you can't base on an argument solely on that - and there doesn't seem to be any more proof for his statement.

But if they are getting lower grades, then that clearly opens the doors for more immigrants to achieve employment in this country... And if there's more opportunity for employment, then that will entice more people over here, so in a way, I agree with the reverse of his statement - that poor education in the UK will result in more immigration.

I do think education needs to be tackled sooner rather than later, and I'd agree that Michael Gove really isn't the man for the job.

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hahah are u sure they don't have poor grades because of their broken family homes, gay dads or having unprotected sex?? maybe white boys r just thick

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That's a point, he says A causes B - but what's to say it's not B causes A?

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It isn't me saying this - although I do agree with him.

It's the Labour Party you all vote for saying this. Not only is it Tristram Hunt MP (the man who will replace Michael Gove as Education Secretary) but it's also former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw MP, former Home Secretary David Blunkett MP and even the Labour leader Ed Miliband - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-election.html

maybe white boys r just thick

That's an appallingly racist statement to make.



In all seriousness, i'd like to know what the moderators and commentators on here would say if you'd have said black boys.

That's a point, he says A causes B - but what's to say it's not B causes A?

Isn't it pretty obvious? The fact that resources which would normally have gone to children who aren't that academic are now being stretched for the offspring of Polish immigrants, hence why even the second-generation Pakistani Britons are now becoming cheesed off and want controls. Couple all this with the fact that because of mass migration, when they get off the education ladder and try to get a job - they're all being pushed out of the job market leaving them with no hope of a job or a future.

Immigration is an issue that now affects people of all colours, and we've had enough.

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Anyway the articles a bit of a mess. white boys aren't getting educational achievement because of european immigrants who are also white? I'm bit confused

hilarious u just called me racist for saying white people are thick when you've just said this article isn't racist even though it's practically just said white european immigrants are the reason for white boys (still confused) not achieving education

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hilarious u just called me racist for saying white people are thick when you've just said this article isn't racist even though it's practically just said white european immigrants are the reason for white boys (still confused) not achieving education

How can that be racist when it's white v white. :rolleyes: Nationality isn't race you know.

Either way I haven't said it, the shadow Labour Education Secretary did. I have elaborated on what he meant by his statement on this topic, which you can find i've posted above in response to the Labour supporter & voter Kardan.

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Isn't it pretty obvious? The fact that resources which would normally have gone to children who aren't that academic are now being stretched for the offspring of Polish immigrants, hence why even the second-generation Pakistani Britons are now becoming cheesed off and want controls. Couple all this with the fact that because of mass migration, when they get off the education ladder and try to get a job - they're all being pushed out of the job market leaving them with no hope of a job or a future.

Immigration is an issue that now affects people of all colours, and we've had enough.

But couldn't you equally say that the Polish immigrants are bringing their children over here because the British children are already doing crap at school, meaning there's more places open in further education/employment because the British kids aren't skilled enough for it in the first place.

There's not really anything that says it's either yours (and the guy in the articles) way around, or may way around. But either way, both of them rely on the British education system being crap (You say that resources are stretched, and I'm saying it's not good enough in the first place) - so surely if we improve the education system, that will go some way to tackling immigration?

And Jen, I think the only reason it mentions White (I think it means White British, since most of the European immigrants are White) is that it provides some sort of correlation that Immigration increase <=> Lower achievement

I imagine if they just mentioned kids overall, the evidence wouldn't really be there.

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How can that be racist when it's white v white. :rolleyes: Nationality isn't race you know.

Either way I haven't said it, the shadow Labour Education Secretary did. I have elaborated on what he meant by his statement on this topic, which you can find i've posted above in response to the Labour supporter & voter Kardan.

Am I a Labour voter if I haven't really voted Labour yet?

The only thing I got to vote in was the local elections a while back, and I voted Lib Dem and Labour So by that logic, I'm equally as much of a Lib Dem as I am a Labour voter

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Oh, and I also voted in the AV Referendum and voted the opposite of what Labour should vote

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But couldn't you equally say that the Polish immigrants are bringing their children over here because the British children are already doing crap at school, meaning there's more places open in further education/employment because the British kids aren't skilled enough for it in the first place.

There's not really anything that says it's either yours (and the guy in the articles) way around, or may way around. But either way, both of them rely on the British education system being crap (You say that resources are stretched, and I'm saying it's not good enough in the first place) - so surely if we improve the education system, that will go some way to tackling immigration?

The British education system is crap, I agree - that's why I constantly argue for the return to selective education which was destroyed with the abolition of the grammar schools. So sure, the education system has huge gaping holes in it and there are many problems with it... but it's not helped and indeed, it's compacted with mass immigration - especially when it comes to post-education job prospects. It's refreshing to see that some in Labour are waking up to this and exactly what they have done.

As for your second part, spoken like a true politician. The last government threw buckets of money at schools and education yet they're still absolutely dreadful, so creating shiny new schools clearly isn't what is at fault. What's at fault is the comprehensive system itself, which being left wing I assume you support... but that's an argument for another day.

I imagine if they just mentioned kids overall, the evidence wouldn't really be there.

This is most important and i'd be interested to hear your response to this, I should have said this earlier but here..

You can bend it all you want, but the fact is that even if British kids were better educated or at the same level as Poles it still wouldn't matter for the fact that you don't need to have the best brains to be a plumber or somebody who picks crops in a field. When the employers look for the people to do these jobs, they will pick those who will work for the lowest wage (often under the minimum wage - which you lot support) and who are unlikely to have children as they then avoid all the maternity leave regulations, ie young single Polish men.

You can educate every Briton to the level of an Einstein yet that still won't solve the chronic problem of jobs being taken by migrant workers in the manual labor market.

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The article is talking about how white British boys are getting low education achievement IN SCHOOL. it's not about them not getting jobs, it's about them not getting any good grades. don't see how that's Europeans fault. myb should stop trying to place blame on others.