Australian PM, Tony Abbott, threatens to deport disruptive asylum seekers

[-:Undertaker:-]

Last time I checked people from indigenous tribes weren't trying to enter this country.

Doing it again. Trying to twist the argument by picking out a tiny offhand example that I give and giving a response that's worthy of a giggling, 15-year old in a sixth form debate. What's noticeable though is that you haven't picked up on the homosexuality and Islam example and (haven't yet) called me an Islamophobe for making the link - or have I spoken too soon?

But anyway, let's tackle the child abuse issue.

Start using proper examples with sources rather than talking about ancient cultures. Which countries, where the residents try and get citizenship into the uk, is the raping of young girls considered normal? Because that's what you said.

Well here's a UNICEF document talking about child abuse in South-Asian countries: http://www.unicef.org/rosa/protection_7735.htm

Evidence also indicates that half of the world’s child brides live in South Asia, where 46 per cent of women aged 20-24 are first married or in union before they reach the age of 18 and that around 44 million children are engaged in child labour across the region. Sexual abuse and exploitation, as well as child trafficking and corporal punishment raise additional concerns in the region. Violence has devastating consequences for children's health, behaviours, well-being and overall development. Increasing evidence demonstrates that violence against children negatively affects societies and countries. The economic costs resulting from violence against children and the lack of consistent investment into national child protection systems can hinder the development of the region. Finally, violence intersects with the Millennium Development Goals – from eradicating extreme poverty to achieving universal primary education, from promoting gender equality and empowering women to reducing child mortality.

In South Asia, there are more child marriages than in any other region of the world: half (32, 6 million) of the 64 million young (Source: UNICEF ROSA CP 2012, with SWOC 2012 data) women 20-24 years old who have reported globally that they were married before age 18, live in South Asia.

Overall, in the region, 46 per cent of women 20-24 years old were first married or in union before they reached the age of 18 and 18 per cent of women 20-24 years old were first married or in union before they even reached the age of 15.

Significant differences in the child marriage rate exist among countries within South Asia, according to available data from national surveys: child marriage prevalence – measured as the percentage of women 20-24 years old who were first married or in union before they were 18 year old – varies from 4 per cent in Maldives to 66 per cent in Bangladesh. The country rates in ascending order are: Sri Lanka (12 per cent); Pakistan (24 per cent); Bhutan (26 per cent); Afghanistan (39 per cent); India (47 per cent); Nepal (51 per cent) and Bangladesh (66 per cent).

Bangladesh, Nepal and India, the countries most at risk of child marriage in South Asia, are among the most at risk countries in the world: with Bangladesh and Nepal on the third and fourth positions, after the West African countries of Niger and Mali. Although girls are more at risk of child marriage than boys, these countries have significant rates of men 20-24 years old who were first married or in union underage (before age 18), in ascending order: Bangladesh (5 per cent); India (10 per cent) and Nepal (16 per cent).

In Bangladesh, 47 per cent of ever-married adolescent girls (married between 15 and 19 years old) reported that they have experienced emotional, physical and/or sexual violence committed by their current or most recent husband or partner. Many socio-economic and cultural factors contribute to the incidence of partner and domestic violence. Social norms and societal attitudes that convey acceptance or justification of domestic violence make girls and women more vulnerable to become victims. National surveys show that in South Asia 52 per cent of women and 49 per cent of men aged 15-49 years old consider a husband to be justified in hitting or beating his wife for at least one of the following reasons: if the wife burns the food, argues with the husband, goes out without telling him, neglects the children or refuses sexual relations. The justification rate among men in South Asia is the highest in the world, while the rate among women is higher than in East Asia and the Pacific (36 per cent), but lower compared to the rates found in Eastern and Southern Africa (59 per cent) and West and Central Africa (57 per cent).

And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and i'm only just a quarter of the way through.

[karter]

What are you talking about? A load of Indian women in your own country only recently went out on a march and there have been many protests about the gang rape culture in your country and the mistreatment of women over there.

Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you and spoon feed you everything like a baby?

Rape's a problem in every country not just India or any other third world country THAT is the bleeding obvious truth. Linking rape with a subcontinent is such a stupid move

Then why mention it in the first place? LOL

Because 'Not repeating the mistakes' roughly translates to not giving any Asians/Africans the opportunities and benefits White Australians enjoy, they themselves being 'immigrants'. Using a ****** excuse of destruction of Aboriginal culture to avoid immigration is weak and pathetic

I don't recall saying every third world country had the same disgusting habits. .

You just mentioned third world and disgusting habits, putting the blame on every third world country.

In any case, surely if I started pointing out certain tribes/groups/countries you'd just end up calling me 'judgemental' and a racist anyway. So I can't win with you really can I, no matter what I put you'll just reply with how i'm seeing the world through my evil white eyes

Well besides the obvious truth that you are pretty judgmental and racist....You did mention about homophobia in Islam and most of the Islamic countries which I agree upon. I'd take you seriously if you controlled your language because it oozes out hate and internal prejudice

[The Don]

Yes of course there are rampant problems in third world countries due to the extreme levels of poverty and lack of education, does that mean majority of people there think it's ok or normal to rape young girls? No I do not. Suggesting its a bad habit as you did in your initial post is laughable.

Doing it again. Trying to twist the argument by picking out a tiny offhand example that I give and giving a response that's worthy of a giggling, 15-year old in a sixth form debate. What's noticeable though is that you haven't picked up on the homosexuality and Islam example and (haven't yet) called me an Islamophobe for making the link - or have I spoken too soon?

But anyway, let's tackle the child abuse issue.



Well here's a UNICEF document talking about child abuse in South-Asian countries: http://www.unicef.org/rosa/protection_7735.htm







And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and i'm only just a quarter of the way through.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Rape's a problem in every country not just India or any other third world country THAT is the bleeding obvious truth. Linking rape with a subcontinent is such a stupid move

It is. But it's much more common and culturally acceptable in certain third world countries than it is in the western world.

Because 'Not repeating the mistakes' roughly translates to not giving any Asians/Africans the opportunities and benefits White Australians enjoy, they themselves being 'immigrants'. Using a ****** excuse of destruction of Aboriginal culture to avoid immigration is weak and pathetic

Nobody is against sensible immigration my dear, the issue is that we don't want our home cultures here to be swamped like the aboriginal cultures were once swamped by European cultures. Is that simple enough to understand?

You just mentioned third world and disgusting habits, putting the blame on every third world country.

I didn't blame every third world country, infact I haven't even made up a list of what countries I regard as being a part of the third world so it's you who is making the assumptions. All I did was list the continents where this sort of third world behaviour is found. But if you take a look at the UNICEF report I quote above, you can see it lists Bangladesh, India, Pakistan as problem countries regarding child abuse and poor social attitudes to child abuse. I could name some others in regards to homosexuality to take just one example: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Uganda, the Sudan and so on and so forth.

Well besides the obvious truth that you are pretty judgmental and racist....You did mention about homophobia in Islam and most of the Islamic countries which I agree upon. I'd take you seriously if you controlled your language because it oozes out hate and internal prejudice

I'm not here to talk like a baby. I'm here to say it how it is - which is that many cultures in the third world ARE backwards on so many issues and that we do not want their cultural precepts here in our western nations arriving via mass immigration. And for the millionanth time, this has nothing to do with race as if you read carefully what I say instead of projecting your own insecurities onto my posts you'll see that I support immigration from non-western countries provided those coming are made to conform to western customs and values.

That's actually one of the reasons I want out of the European Union so that we can introduce a strong but sensible immigration system which would treat migrants from mainland Europe and across the world the same in terms of skill requirements as opposed to what we have now which is a system that favours immigration from the European continent even if those migrants do not have skills that we require.

Yes of course there are rampant problems in third world countries due to the extreme levels of poverty and lack of education, does that mean majority of people there think it's ok or normal to rape young girls? No I do not. Suggesting its a bad habit as you did in your initial post is laughable.

No, it's the cultural outlook of many of these places. You could argue for example that in many ways the poor development and education levels are caused by the culture (for example Islamic schools barring females which then prevents females for standing up for themselves as individuals with rights) or alternatively the other way around. To my mind it's that both come hand in hand.

And bad habits, disgusting habits, vile crimes - call them whatever you please. I do not want those customs in my country. Period.

[karter]

Rape is culturally acceptable in the Indian subcontinent? Good to know tell me more

Nobody is against sensible immigration my dear, the issue is that we don't want our home cultures here to be swamped like the aboriginal cultures were once swamped by European cultures. Is that simple enough to understand?

But British immigration was not sensible immigration either so who made them the supreme to decide what's sensible immigration and what's not? The fact that White Australians excuse themselves from immigration but are loud speakers against it is not so simple enough to understand yep.

I'm not here to talk like a baby. I'm here to say it how it is - which is that many cultures in the third world ARE backwards

So that's that then. I should also say how it is - that West is just a plastic collection of product buyers and lack of culture, they're just cultureless consumers feeding off others and constantly cribbing