Moderating

[Agnostic Bear]

wouldn't really work cause you'd get the kids

"LOLOL I GOT A INFRACTION LOL IM KL KID MANZ"

and would try and get more infractions thinking they're cool

Then they get banned for being an asshat.

[mat64]

wouldn't really work cause you'd get the kids

"LOLOL I GOT A INFRACTION LOL IM KL KID MANZ"

and would try and get more infractions thinking they're cool

Then they'd get banned eventually, if people already saw warnings/infractions as something to brag about they would. Doesn't matter that they are currently private, doesn't stop people saying they got one for whatever if they wanted to.

[FlyingJesus]

What so you want an announcement made for every ban and caution? Anyone that posts will be seen with the strike through their name (or in italics) and the changed usertitle which is pretty public as far as I can tell. If it's someone who doesn't post much then no, people won't see it, but chances are no-one cares about that person anyway because they aren't a regular poster. There is no advantage to that.

On the main topic, I had a PM from Rosie last night not as an actual warning but as a verbal one about insulting people, and she actually stated that since it was my 3rd offence for the same thing, a further breach of the rule would result in a warning or infraction. This is the right way to go about it I feel - I don't keep most of my PMs that are warnings and such because I don't see any need to usually (if they're deserved) but being told in the PM that it's my 3rd offence and that there will be a real punishment if it happens again just keeps me out of the dark.

That said, I was given a warning on the 26th for insulting other members and I've certainly not had 2 PMs between that and Rosie's yesterday, so either the warning was given wrongly or the usernotes weren't updated to show that I'd been punished - in which case I guess the warning's still wrong but the mod wasn't to know. I don't mind really because it's my only active one but it does seem to imply that the same usernotes are used multiple times for punishments rather than being "struck off" as would seem logical after a warning or infraction has been handed out

[xxMATTGxx]

I fail to see why? as your saying a PM is sent with every usernote so surely if they wanted to argue we could do regardless as we'd receive the PM surely? :S

I have also said that not every usernote needs a PM to the user.

[scottish]

I still fail to see the problem in letting us see OUR usernotes? because a user may argue with the mod; they could do that regardless and if they did they'd get another infraction? so doesn't matter either way...also means we know when we're on final warning or whatever. and as a usernote isn't a "warning" as such then not much members will argue (which they could get an infraction for) a point about something that pretty much won't do nothing? :S

[lick]

Since when have you cared about the forum?

since he became a mod.

Also are you serious with 23? Maybe the mods ain't cheking them and just keep issueing them for the same one.

Also on the subject of usernotes anyone wanna tell me how many i have?

[Hecktix]

since he became a mod.

Also are you serious with 23? Maybe the mods ain't cheking them and just keep issueing them for the same one.

Also on the subject of usernotes anyone wanna tell me how many i have?

10 ranging from may - midjune, where you were then dealt with infractions for repeated offences.

[Catzsy]

What so you want an announcement made for every ban and caution? Anyone that posts will be seen with the strike through their name (or in italics) and the changed usertitle which is pretty public as far as I can tell. If it's someone who doesn't post much then no, people won't see it, but chances are no-one cares about that person anyway because they aren't a regular poster. There is no advantage to that.

On the main topic, I had a PM from Rosie last night not as an actual warning but as a verbal one about insulting people, and she actually stated that since it was my 3rd offence for the same thing, a further breach of the rule would result in a warning or infraction. This is the right way to go about it I feel - I don't keep most of my PMs that are warnings and such because I don't see any need to usually (if they're deserved) but being told in the PM that it's my 3rd offence and that there will be a real punishment if it happens again just keeps me out of the dark.

That said, I was given a warning on the 26th for insulting other members and I've certainly not had 2 PMs between that and Rosie's yesterday, so either the warning was given wrongly or the usernotes weren't updated to show that I'd been punished - in which case I guess the warning's still wrong but the mod wasn't to know. I don't mind really because it's my only active one but it does seem to imply that the same usernotes are used multiple times for punishments rather than being "struck off" as would seem logical after a warning or infraction has been handed out

That was actually my fault, Tom. I didn't check the infraction record before sending the pm so in fact the person who issued the warning was right. I do think, however, that this is a matter of judgment & common sense. Taking these out of the equation in moderating would not be the way to go I feel, otherwise somebody grossly insulting somebody would be treated in the same way as somebody calling somebody an idiot. Having a too rigid system would
rule out this to a certain extent. Therefore it maybe possible that there is more than one user note per rulebreak as the rule break maybe minor but I agree a pm should be sent if it could result in a warning/infraction.

The sanction applied should fit whatever the rule break is as fairly as possible which is no different to the justice system really. You would get a heavy penalty for burglary but would have to shoplift a few times before getting the heavy penalty so taking that example somebody grossly insulting somebody would get an infraction but somebody calling somebody an idiot may have to do it more than once to get again to get the same infraction. That's just an example.

Some are comments that perhaps don't need a sanction but somebody needs to be aware that somebody has been offended so they can avoid that situation again. This particuarly happens in spam which can be hard to moderate because of the friends' banter. This can sometimes be a no-win situation for the Mods because a warning can be issued only to be reversed because the person against whom the remark was made agrees it was a joke.

I do think, on a personal note, that user notes should have a limited shelf life. If somebody made a rude comment 12 months ago then under the old system it would not have counted. Under the old system once you had been banned you did essentially have a clean slate when you returned but if the member continued to rule break the ban next time would be heavier. The automatic banning system does work quite well in this instance. For this reason I do not think expired warnings/infractions should be counted either. Expired infractions did not count under the old system otherwise what is the point of expiry? I know that the system is being looked at and this is a pretty constructive thread to help produce a system that is fair, accountable and beyond reproach. Above all we need a forum that is enjoyable for everyone to post on. This can be hard to balance on occasions.

[lick]

10 ranging from may - midjune, where you were then dealt with infractions for repeated offences.

Then how come i got loads of infraction like the first week, if you said i only got them in june :S:S

[Hecktix]

I do think, on a personal note, that user notes should have a limited shelf life. If somebody made a rude comment 12 months ago then under the old system it would not have counted. Under the old system once you had been banned you did essentially have a clean slate when you returned. For this reason I do not think expired warnings/infractions should be counted either. Expired infractions did not count under the old system otherwise what is the point of expiry? I know that the system is being looked at and this is a pretty constructive thread to help produce a system that is fair, accountable and beyond reproach. Above all we need a forum that is enjoyable for everyone to post on. This can be hard to balance on occasions.

I think usernotes should be valid for a 3 - 6 month period.
For instance if a moderator PM'd a Polite Reminder of the rules to Member A for calling Member B an idiot, then a month later, Member A called Member C an idiot it could easily be said Member A has ignored the moderators warning.

However 3 months down the line this may not be the case, could be a simple case of forgetting, PMs being deleted in time etc.

As for what you say about expired infractions Rosie, I don't count them when I'm moderating so I hope i've done that right