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[GommeInc]

Cars can handle differently depending on make, size, weight, some don't drive as smooth, your breaks could suck. There's many factors. It's a very good comparison which you ruined!!!

I DIDN'T RUIN IT It was just a bad example

Cars handle differently, indeed, but they do the same business which is where the example drives off into a hedge A Vauxhall has a different gearbox than a Ford car, reverse is where 6th Gear is while in a Vauxhall you pull up on the gear stick (or down) to go into reverse He doesn't have to have a Mac or use one everyday to know how they work, they do what every other computer does and are made from the same components, the only major difference is the GUI and specifically the OS

Fortunately I'm not stupid enough to pay $1,200 for their monitors, when I can get about 5 of the same ones from LG. Their iMacs in Canada are not expensive. They might be in Europe where all electronics seem to be a lot more pricey, but here I have no complaints about iMac price here. 47/52 of my applications don't run on Windows. Why? Because they were made for OS X. You forget that the comparison goes both ways, and that for most programs there are alternatives. You use Notepad++ and I use TextEdit, but you can't say I lack a good source code editor if I have TextEdit.

Of course you're not stupid enough, you're managing fine typing on a magic light box and don't appear to have to stop every few seconds to remember how to breathe Though speaking of which, Macs still cost alot in any country. Tech stuff here maybe expensive, but in the US an iMac is still alot more than a PC, so changing the country doesn't really do much, prices are cheaper, but prices are cheaper across the board, not just for Apple gear :/ And what you said is common sense, programs designed for OS X won't work on a Windows machine, I don't see why you typed that, it's like saying a USB cable won't go in a 3-pin socket or aa Wii game won't work on a PS3...

Ooh you used it for A presentation. I didn't realize using it once when you probably didn't know what you were doing (which is understandable since you never used it before that) makes you an expert on all things Mac.

I never said I was an expert, don't put words in my mouth just because you can't think of a good come back :rolleyes: If a Mac can't have something plugged in and "JUST WORK", then they're terrible machines and the Apple marketing ploy fails. At least a cheap, Acer laptop running XP can get plugged into a projector and "JUST WORK". I know what I was doing, you just plug it in and it should "JUST WORK", but it didn't, the quality was terrible and the settings for the projector made no difference, but it was so long ago that changing the settings seems irrelevant, it should either just work, or not work at all, it worked, but the colour should not lack the red spectrum, nor should the "plug and play crap" not understand itself :rolleyes:

You think Apple's bad because of their ads? Microsoft tried to copyright keys on a keyboard. Go complain about that.

Again, you do this typical ploy to divert away from the central argument (which suggests you agree their adverts suck) :/ Their adverts are crap, so why are you suggesting on having an Apple Adverts versus Microsoft and their crazy lawsuits and copyright schemes argument? Both cannot be compared, so a pointless discussion trying to divert away from the central argument to be fair :/

I have no problem, absolutely no problem at all discussing flaws with Apple, and flaws with Microsoft, with someone who genuinely knows what they're talking about, and can back up their subjective opinions with experience with both companies. These people like ***** make posts that I (for the most part) see where they're coming from, and even agree with. But with what you're doing in this thread I can't find any truth, besides Apple being overpriced (which they usually are). From my point of view you own a Windows machine, and because of this you want what you have to be the best, not this "Apple stuff", which (no offense) I don't think you gave a good chance at using. I've had decent discussions with you about this stuff before, but this is very much so below your standards of reason and justification for your reason. I have some horror stories with some Dell machines running Windows doing some presentations myself(and the problems I had with those presentations actually related to the operating system and the machine itself, not because I was doing something wrong). I don't think any less of Dell or Windows for those experiences.

And this is where you fail your argument, saying I apparently have to waste my money to actually make an argument. I've used them briefly on countless times, but according to your barmy logic "this is not enough" and you claw away at this pretending this is where I have no clue... Your only claim to making a point, let's face it, on a simple argument, is that you attempt to deny with this "I owns one, I is better than you attitude", which is quite pathetic If a Mac, a machine that only comes from one company, cannot do one simple task, then they are crap. If OS X was like Windows, an OS installed on hundreds of different machines by different companies using difference hardware, then I'd agree -but no a Mac only comes in one form from one company, if Apple failed with one machine then it doesn't bode well with the others, especially when this "plug and play crap" is meant to "just work", which it doesn't. Whoever invented these rediculous adapters in a ploy to make more money in poor workmanship probably needs a punch in the face - a projector should just plug in and work, not plug into something, oh wait, you need to buy one, then plug into the machine and not work properly.

And again, wild assumptions that are apparently down to me, and not a crappy machine Again, I point you to the "JUST WORK" slogan Apple falsely plant on their machines. It should "just work", and I know how to plug and projector into a laptop or any sort of machine, it's just a shame the OS and the machine is so crap it can't even work properly. So glad it didn't have to be plugged into the sound system, I'd hate to hear what mess would come out of it :rolleyes:


And I can't believe you based your conclusion on a post containing generic slobber, Jord

[HotelUser]

I DIDN'T RUIN IT It was just a bad example

Cars handle differently, indeed, but they do the same business which is where the example drives off into a hedge A Vauxhall has a different gearbox than a Ford car, reverse is where 6th Gear is while in a Vauxhall you pull up on the gear stick (or down) to go into reverse He doesn't have to have a Mac or use one everyday to know how they work, they do what every other computer does and are made from the same components, the only major difference is the GUI and specifically the OS

You do have to own one to be able to speculate on the OS. If you don't own it you don't know how it's going to be in a productive environment, not to mention the fact that if you use it once in a presentation you probably don't know how to fully use it, or know its potential .

Of course you're not stupid enough, you're managing fine typing on a magic light box and don't appear to have to stop every few seconds to remember how to breathe Though speaking of which, Macs still cost alot in any country. Tech stuff here maybe expensive, but in the US an iMac is still alot more than a PC, so changing the country doesn't really do much, prices are cheaper, but prices are cheaper across the board, not just for Apple gear

For two grand Canadian I can get a 27" (high DPI screen too) iMac with the i7. That's a extremely reasonable price for an AIO.

:/ And what you said is common sense, programs designed for OS X won't work on a Windows machine, I don't see why you typed that, it's like saying a USB cable won't go in a 3-pin socket or aa Wii game won't work on a PS3...

You said all your Windows programs wont work on OS X. Obviously they wont. There's separate applications for OS X. Some might be cross platform compatible, but OS X has developers too. I've never felt limited after using OS X for over a year when it comes to needing a program.

I never said I was an expert, don't put words in my mouth just because you can't think of a good come back :rolleyes: If a Mac can't have something plugged in and "JUST WORK", then they're terrible machines and the Apple marketing ploy fails.

No, with that comparison they're saying their operating system is more stable than the competition. It's like how phone companies say their network is most reliable. When it comes to things like this opinions on which is really the best are all subjective.

At least a cheap, Acer laptop running XP can get plugged into a projector and "JUST WORK". I know what I was doing, you just plug it in and it should "JUST WORK", but it didn't, the quality was terrible and the settings for the projector made no difference, but it was so long ago that changing the settings seems irrelevant, it should either just work, or not work at all, it worked, but the colour should not lack the red spectrum, nor should the "plug and play crap" not understand itself :rolleyes:

If you're seriously trying to suggest that it's OS X's fault that the projector was projecting a green image then you really don't know about your own example. Obviously the fault is with the items you used to hook up to the projector, not the Mac. That's like blaming your cat for the gaping hole in the ceiling. The two things are totally unrelated. (Note: when I plug a projector into my iMac there's no driver dialogues opening up wanting drivers. It just works!)

Again, you do this typical ploy to divert away from the central argument (which suggests you agree their adverts suck) :/ Their adverts are crap, so why are you suggesting on having an Apple Adverts versus Microsoft and their crazy lawsuits and copyright schemes argument? Both cannot be compared, so a pointless discussion trying to divert away from the central argument to be fair :/


And this is where you fail your argument, saying I apparently have to waste my money to actually make an argument. I've used them briefly on countless times, but according to your barmy logic "this is not enough" and you claw away at this pretending this is where I have no clue...

Your Mac experience with the projector is proof that you do not have sufficient evidence to support your antiapple story.

Your only claim to making a point, let's face it, on a simple argument, is that you attempt to deny with this "I owns one, I is better than you attitude", which is quite pathetic

Not true. Most Windows users who insult the competition do so because they want what they have to be the best. Not saying there's not Mac users who do it too. There's just a lot more Windows users out there so it's more common amongst them.

If a Mac, a machine that only comes from one company, cannot do one simple task, then they are crap. If OS X was like Windows, an OS installed on hundreds of different machines by different companies using difference hardware, then I'd agree -but no a Mac only comes in one form from one company,

Oh that's funny. I think if My Mac couldn't do "one simple task" you'd think I would have noticed in the past year+ since I have been using OS X. But I'll take what you're saying as legit because you used OS X in ONE whole presentation. You have loads of experience to back this statement up!!!!

if Apple failed with one machine then it doesn't bode well with the others, especially when this "plug and play crap" is meant to "just work", which it doesn't. Whoever invented these rediculous adapters in a ploy to make more money in poor workmanship probably needs a punch in the face - a projector should just plug in and work, not plug into something, oh wait, you need to buy one, then plug into the machine and not work properly.

I like the adapters. I can easily walk into a store that sells Apple equipment and buy adapters to plug my iMac into HDMI, DVI, VGA, composite, s-video. To do so on my laptop I first have to make sure the graphics card can handle it, and then I have to purchase a special adapter from a place like eBay or newegg. Not as convenient.

And again, wild assumptions that are apparently down to me, and not a crappy machine Again, I point you to the "JUST WORK" slogan Apple falsely plant on their machines. It should "just work", and I know how to plug and projector into a laptop or any sort of machine, it's just a shame the OS and the machine is so crap it can't even work properly. So glad it didn't have to be plugged into the sound system, I'd hate to hear what mess would come out of it :rolleyes:

Clearly you were sleeping during the entire Vista situation

And I can't believe you based your conclusion on a post containing generic slobber, Jord

I didn't. It was an honest conclusion.