Tuition fee rises will not affect Welsh Students!

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I shall vote for the party I believe will make a difference, whoever that may be in 2015. It certainly won't be Conservative. Labour may have lied in the past however Labour may be the reason this tuition fees increase doesn't get through Parliament.

But only because they want your vote, just as in 2001 when they also lied - once in office they did the exact same as the Liberal Democrats did.

If you don't like it then for goodness sake please do not vote for it.

[Chippiewill]

There is no minimum Oli. And maybe you need a job? I don't mean to be rude, but if you;re using that kind of money with no kind of income then I think you need something to pay at least a bit of it back. If you do I'm sorry but then if you are then you've missed it out with your calculations

As I said, there is no minimum and actually £6,000 is the maximum unless they offer extensive and very high benefits and reductions to poorer students as well as scholarships.

Minimum that universities will set it too

But only because they want your vote, just as in 2001 when they also lied - once in office they did the exact same as the Liberal Democrats did.

If you don't like it then for goodness sake please do not vote for it.

UKIP can't be in power for the next election, so there's no point voting for them expecting them to change this. Labour is the only one which may play a part in preventing this, therefore voting for them is strategic.

[Hecktix]

But only because they want your vote, just as in 2001 when they also lied - once in office they did the exact same as the Liberal Democrats did.

If you don't like it then for goodness sake please do not vote for it.

You could argue that any political party makes any decision because they want your vote. 2001, was also 9 years ago. Time moves on.

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You could argue that any political party makes any decision because they want your vote. 2001, was also 9 years ago. Time moves on.

You could, but then you could also argue - why be taken for a mug time after time by the exact same bunch of liars, spin doctors and con-artists? Time does move on, but what suggests these people have changed in the slightest? I know in 2015 the same fever will grip the likes of yourself just as it did with Liberal Democrats in 2010 and the likes of Miliband will be out there signing pledges, making promises etc (just as Blair and Brown did in 2001) and they could very well win and what will they do that they usually do? - they'll rat on us all again.

I'm presuming you voted for Labour this time (2010) - again, it knocks down your supposed 'outrage' over this issue, unless of course you make yourself a pledge not to be taken for a fool/a mug yet again. The same also applies to Conservative voters and Liberal Democrat voters.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Shar]

THE MAXIMUM will be £27k debt. I don't know how you worked out £30-£40k...unless you're going to go to America in which case it's more likely to be £50-60k.



I wish. I have a plan, I'll do it. It may not be easy to live with debt hanging over you head. But millions of people have done it and do it every year?



Although I question the time you have said, I agree. We are VERY lucky. People are just selfish money-hogging *******. This IS NOT much. As he said. Go live in America. Then you'll be ****** grateful for our tertiary education.



And just letting you guys know...I live in a semi-detached house just outside London with 5 bedrooms. Ok maybe slightly above average but I'm by no means rich like a few of my friends. I will be taking a student loan like everyone else and I will be paying it off like everyone else. The difference is I have ambition and the realisation that people are far worse off than me.

And Shar. It is complaining. It may be an opinion that it's too expensive. But it's also complaining. That's like me saying to my teacher getting a detention for not doing my homework is unfair, he tells me to stop complaining then I say it's not complaining. It is, but it's also an opinion. I just think some people need to go into the big wide world and realise how lucky they are.

Okay so you have realisation yet you're saying we're complaining? I won't tell you my living conditions as that is extremely private, but what I can tell you is I don't even live in a 3 bedroom house let alone 5. I have the right to be mad and complain about having to pay a huge amount of money in order to have an education which will get me a decent living so I can get out of this crap situation, by no means does that mean I am complaining.
You aren't just slightly well off, but more than well off than me and a lot of others. You can't say we have no ambition just because we're making a stand against the rise in fees. I think you need to see how lucky you are and need to stop telling others to stop complaining when they're the ones who are going to be hugely affected by this rise in tuition fees.

[Hecktix]

You could, but then you could also argue - why be taken for a mug time after time by the exact same bunch of liars, spin doctors and con-artists? Time does move on, but what suggests these people have changed in the slightest? I know in 2015 the same fever will grip the likes of yourself just as it did with Liberal Democrats in 2010 and the likes of Miliband will be out there signing pledges, making promises etc (just as Blair and Brown did in 2001) and they could very well win and what will they do that they usually do? - they'll rat on us all again.

I'm presuming you voted for Labour this time (2010) - again, it knocks down your supposed 'outrage' over this issue, unless of course you make yourself a pledge not to be taken for a fool/a mug yet again. The same also applies to Conservative voters and Liberal Democrat voters.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm just wondering where you got your crystall ball dan, your predictions for 2015 seem to be so accurate. I don't care what Labour will do in 2015, I don't care what anybody will do in 2015, I care what the Conservatives and LD's are doing now, and if Labour are going to vote against this dratted plan (whether they may have proposed it themselves or not) then I will back them doing so. In this issue I will stand by any party voting against this outrageous increase, which is going to involve English students, and only English students disadvantaged.

[Rapidshare]

Anyone consider having a job while at uni? I easily get 500 pounds a month just working at mcdonalds.

[Chippiewill]

I'm just wondering where you got your crystall ball dan, your predictions for 2015 seem to be so accurate. I don't care what Labour will do in 2015, I don't care what anybody will do in 2015, I care what the Conservatives and LD's are doing now, and if Labour are going to vote against this dratted plan (whether they may have proposed it themselves or not) then I will back them doing so. In this issue I will stand by any party voting against this outrageous increase, which is going to involve English students, and only English students disadvantaged.

hear hear.

Besides, if there was a government which actually kept promises then power would never change hands.

[FlyingJesus]

Lol, you worked out you could pay £20k debt in 3 years - where was the person living, the streets?

Well earning £21k+ a year it would be quite possible, you'd be living as though you earned around £13k instead though, so 3 years is a little optimistic if you want to enjoy the money you're earning rather than continue to live student style. I know the figures being thrown around by the kiddies in this thread are wrong anyway but paying back a bigger loan only when you're earning 21k and over is always going to be easier than starting once you're at 15k, especially considering how small the interest and repayments are. Not so small if you are for some reason thinking you can do it comfortably in 3 years but I don't know of any major loans that get paid off in that time by normal earners.

Good luck paying for food, furniture, water, gas, electricity, rent, insurance etc. on 1K per year.

Where have you got 1k a year from? I don't think anyone suggested paying off the whole loan in one year once you're earning over the threshold

maybe you need a job? I don't mean to be rude, but if you;re using that kind of money with no kind of income then I think you need something to pay at least a bit of it back. If you do I'm sorry but then if you are then you've missed it out with your calculations

You have no idea what uni life is like, or how difficult it can be for many students to not only get a job in the first place but then to hold onto it and still not fall behind with studies. First year is perhaps a little different as it's easier and has less pressures, but in the first year you need to be socialising so that you're not wanting to kill yourself by the time you've got through it. It's not as easy a balance as you seem to believe - for those who want a life alongside everything anyway. Furthermore you take for granted living at home that the "little" things like electricity and water are just there to use even if you are older and paying rent, but it really does add up quickly even when you're being extremely careful

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I'm just wondering where you got your crystall ball dan, your predictions for 2015 seem to be so accurate. I don't care what Labour will do in 2015, I don't care what anybody will do in 2015, I care what the Conservatives and LD's are doing now, and if Labour are going to vote against this dratted plan (whether they may have proposed it themselves or not) then I will back them doing so. In this issue I will stand by any party voting against this outrageous increase, which is going to involve English students, and only English students disadvantaged.

No crystal ball here, i'm just looking at the uncomfortable facts and putting them to everyone.

Labour are the exact same when they are in office concerning this one issue (and many others one might argue) so why complain now when you would consider voting (or did vote) for the exact same outcome come last/next election? Say in 2015 Labour win the election, imagine if in 2016 Labour increase fees by another £5,000 despite promising not to do so - and then Nick Clegg comes on TV slamming both the policy and the fact the Labour Party have broken their promise - well that is what has just happened.

If yourself and many others are going to continue being tribal then it just screams insincerity over this whole issue.