Abortion: Right or Wrong? And what limits?

[Lewis]

No it's not. That's like doing a massive group project and you do nothing except come up with a title. And then you expect them to share the credit equally with you.

It takes two to create the baby, they're both aware that getting pregnant is a possible outcome. And so they're both responsible for the baby.

And I think what you're forgetting in your 'group project' example is that having the baby is just one step to a giant 'group project'. You can't expect everyone to do everything in one huge group project, it's shared between the people. If only one person does the introduction paragraph and no one else, that doesn't mean no one else is going to contribute with what's further to come in this project?

So with that comment, you're backing up my point .

[Empired]

It takes two to create the baby, they're both aware that getting pregnant is a possible outcome. And so they're both responsible for the baby.

And I think you're forgetting in your 'group project' example is that having the baby is just one step to a giant 'group project'. You can't expect everyone to do everything in one huge group project, it's shared between the people. If only one person does the title and no one else, that doesn't mean no one else is going to contribute?

So with that comment, you're backing up my point .

No.. I'm saying the father comes up with the title and then sits back. The woman then has to do the entire thing. I suppose you could call that sharing but she'd be pretty pissed if you did lol.

[Lewis]

No.. I'm saying the father comes up with the title and then sits back. The woman then has to do the entire thing. I suppose you could call that sharing but she'd be pretty pissed if you did lol.

That's being a bit stereotypical. A lot of fathers may not help to raise the children as much as the mother, but a lot still certainly do. Plus men usually provide for the entire family (although that has completely changed in this day and age)

There's actually quite a few single fathers in my area as well.

oh and I edited my post a little before you quoted, don't know if it was anything important @Empired; but ya

[Empired]

That's being a bit stereotypical. A lot of fathers may not help to raise the children as much as the mother, but a lot still certainly do. Plus men usually provide for the entire family (although that has completely changed in this day and age)

There's actually quite a few single fathers in my area as well.

I was talking about the 9 months of pregnancy and labour........

If you're going to use an outdated piece of information to argue men usually provide for the entire family then you cannot argue that men do anything much at all to nurture their children (as that is also outdated now).

[Lewis]

I was talking about the 9 months of pregnancy and labour........

If you're going to use an outdated piece of information to argue men usually provide for the entire family then you cannot argue that men do anything much at all to nurture their children (as that is also outdated now).

Well my previous post before the one you quoted pretty much covered all of that & beyond. @Empired; - whether my reply to you was what you meant exactly, it still covers everything

It takes two to create the baby, they're both aware that getting pregnant is a possible outcome. And so they're both responsible for the baby.

And I think you're forgetting in your 'group project' example is that having the baby is just one step to a giant 'group project'. You can't expect everyone to do everything in one huge group project, it's shared between the people. If only one person does the title and no one else, that doesn't mean no one else is going to contribute?

So with that comment, you're backing up my point .

That wasn't my argument, that was extra information. My argument is that you're being stereotypical, not every man is the same.

[Empired]

That wasn't my argument, that was extra information. My argument is that you're being stereotypical, not every man is the same.

I told you in my last post that I was talking about the pregnancy.

[The Don]

That's being a bit stereotypical. A lot of fathers may not help to raise the children as much as the mother, but a lot still certainly do. Plus men usually provide for the entire family (although that has completely changed in this day and age)

There's actually quite a few single fathers in my area as well.

oh and I edited my post a little before you quoted, don't know if it was anything important @Empired; but ya

That's all irrelevant until the baby is born...

[Lewis]

That's all irrelevant until the baby is born...

It is relevant. It may not be possible at the time, but it's still relevant as to what's to come. And that will come, if the father's a decent person and the same goes for the woman. It is both their baby to love and raise them, but that cannot happen if an abortion happens. The man should certainly have a say in my opinion.

A man can't go to the pregnant woman and say "would you like me to be pregnant for a change this week" lmao

In no way do I see a ten year old child being more rightfully the woman's child than the father's child. And I think no different from when it's yet to be born.

[Empired]

A man can't go to the pregnant woman and say "would you like me to be pregnant for a change this week" lmao

yes and, because of this, he should not get a final say

[Lewis]

yes and, because of this, he should not get a final say

Why? They both know about the possibilities for pregnancy and they both realise it's the woman that could get pregnant. It's equally both their child and so, since the woman certainly does know the possibilities, the man should get an equal say.