JCB company owner and chief executive both back British exit from the EU

[-:Undertaker:-]

Notice how Friedman is dead and not arguing for a British exit so how exactly is he on your side for this?

You don't understand context of a conversation like... the Eurosceptic movement?

And fifth time, are you going to answer the question? Can you even?

[The Don]

Righttttt, so if Stephen Hawking predicts rain tomorrow he's wrong when it comes to science? Clearly not. On the other hand, if you are actually logical, if a large corporation bosses and politicians tell us that not being a part of the EU project will lead to economic disaster and ruin... and the opposite turns out to be true, then you ought to actually pay attention. Taking advice from your side on European integration matters/European economics is like taking financial advice from Bernie Madoff.

..and FOURTH TIME I ask you, why do you believe our trade will cease or suffer outside of the EU given WTO tariff rules and our global trade position?

You're such an idiot it's unbelievable. Even the worlds greatest economists couldn't accurately predict the global recession. The Toyota, Nissan and Virgin leaders who said about joining the Eurozone are in the business sector, not finance. They are just as much an expert on economics as Stephen Hawking is on rain.
In the real world we decide if someone is wrong about something by looking to see if there are any errors in their argument, not whether or not they had a silly opinion about something in a field they aren't an expert in over a decade ago.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You're such an idiot it's unbelievable. Even the worlds greatest economists couldn't accurately predict the global recession. The Toyota, Nissan and Virgin leaders who said about joining the Eurozone are in the business sector, not finance. They are just as much an expert on economics as Stephen Hawking is on rain.
In the real world we decide if someone is wrong about something by looking to see if there are any errors in their argument, not whether or not they had a silly opinion about something in a field they aren't an expert in, over a decade ago.

If somebody makes such a big claim for something loudly and very publically, like predicting disaster and ruin for the British economy if we don't sign up to more European integration as well as threatening to leave the country if so - if they predict all of that and then the complete opposite occurs, and they didn't follow up on their own threats then that is certainly called being wrong and you could even go as far as calling it a great big stonking pile of horse****. I know I would.

But I have given you six opportunities to answer my question on the 2015 issue and yet again you have ducked it. Hiliarious stuff.

[The Don]

If somebody makes such a big claim for something loudly and very publically, like predicting disaster and ruin for the British economy if we don't sign up to more European integration as well as threatening to leave the country if so - if they predict all of that and then the complete opposite occurs, and they didn't follow up on their own threats then that is certainly called being wrong and you could even go as far as calling it a great big stonking pile of horse****. I know I would.

But I have given you six opportunities to answer my question on the 2015 issue and yet again you have ducked it. Hiliarious stuff.

Again you seem to have missed the point entirely. Of course they were wrong then, nobody has said they weren't. That doesn't automatically make them wrong about this. It's really not that hard to comprehend.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Again you seem to have missed the point entirely. Of course they were wrong then, nobody has said they weren't. That doesn't automatically make them wrong about this. It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Of course, but it certainly discredits their warnings as well as their threats.

[The Don]

Of course, but it certainly discredits their warnings as well as their threats.

Not really since joining a new monetary union is completely different to leaving an already established trade and political organisation such as the EU which could greatly affect their businesses.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Not really since joining a new monetary union is completely different to leaving an already established trade and political organisation such as the EU which could greatly affect their businesses.

Not at all as a single currency is a vital component of completing what is the single market.

As well as the fact the European Union isn't a series of economic projects, it's a political project to the very core.

[The Don]

Not at all as a single currency is a vital component of completing what is the single market.

As well as the fact the European Union isn't a series of economic projects, it's a political project to the very core.

nothing you just said is a response to my post

[-:Undertaker:-]

nothing you just said is a response to my post

Yes it is, although you mean like you've ignored my question several times in a row?

The argument is about European integration, specifically economic, all of which is aimed at completing the single market. The creation of the single currency, which you lot wanted us to join, is central to the future of the single market. If I hear the bosses of these corporations warning me that they will leave and my economy will crash if I do not join the single currrency as we will be 'isolated' (without any real basis in fact at all as proven) then I will also question what substance is behind their identical claim that leaving the European Union (which you don't even have to be in to be in the single market) will leave Britain 'isolated' and cause hurt to our economy. The economic and political facts of the UK's economic weight and the WTO completely contradict these baseless claims.

And like you, they cannot answer this fundamental question just as they could not back in 2000. Discredited, and a disgrace.

[The Don]

Lmao you can't even keep track of your own conversation, this is embarrassing.

1. You said that they didn't act on their threats about leaving the uk if we didn't join the eurozone so why should we believe their threats about leaving if we withdraw from the EU.

2. I answered this by saying that joining the eurozone is completely different to leaving the EU and the latter could have an affect on their businesses.

You've then gone off on a tangent (as usual) about completely irrelevant things because you quite clearly cannot respond to what i've said.