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[Agnostic Bear]

I'd also like to add, Mac doesn't have the terrible Windows registry system, which is so outdated and terrible it should be taken off ASAP. Macs also use a journaled file system, which is a lot less prone to corrupting and data loss etc and it quite honestly, fixes itself (by self maintaining scripts etc.)

Do you actually have any idea what the registry does, what a journaling file system is (note: Windows has journaling exactly the same way OS X does, Metadata-only) or what the "self maintaining" scripts do? Without googling now.

I've never in my 7 years+ of using Windows had a file system corruptions, in fact I've never had file system corruption on any OS apart from OS X, leading me to believe these "self maintaining" scripts are there as a stop-gap measure until the horrible mess that HFS Plus is can be fixed.

Which is never.

[HotelUser]

HotelUser you said it yourself for me, you say people with STIs it's their fault. You then attempt to cover yourself by saying it'd be nice not to worry about that.

I'm afraid it's your own stupid fault that you're incapable to maintain a Windows OS, don't pull the 'Oh well with Mac I don't have to' card because millions of people around the world manage it, it's just the case of setting up an Anti-Virus and occasionally paying for it etc.

Windows XP is FAR less secure than Windows Vista. For many months now you've been bragging how Windows XP is far better than Windows Vista yet now you're fighting for Mac you're raving about virus's and security. Windows XP is a rather insecure OS and because it was that unsafe it delayed Vista by over a year. Vista is very safe, they released a patch to the Conflicker virus before it was meant to activate on April 1st, if people had automatic updates on they were secure. It's idiots like yourself which don't have automatic updates on and then kick up a fuss when they get a virus.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista, if you bother to read the comments on tracker websites and you can see thousands of people seeding it, it's clearly not a virus, and if they've managed to disguise a virus in the files you're downloading, you should have a Anti-Virus which will then catch it

Like you said, many Mac users do emulate some sort of Windows OS using whatever software. The emulating software is available for Windows yes, try get Mac working on VirtualBox and it doesn't work. The fact is, there's no applications that are exclusive to Mac that Windows users need to use, otherwise they'd be emulators easy to use like you have.

Wrong. Getting an STI is the person's fault. But what I was saying is, it would be awesome not to have to worry about getting STIs in general.

Crashing cars is typically a drivers fault. Wouldn't it be nice if we magically could prevent car crashes altogether?

No, I think OSX is superior because I don't like Vista because I think Microsoft screwed up. Not because, as you so politely put it I'm stupid and cannot use operating systems? (btw -rep. Discussing this is one thing, resorting to childish name calling is another). Respect my opinion, debate my opinion, but when it comes down to name calling for the sake of it, that's ridiculous. I have valid reasons not to like Vista. Either agree, disagree or don't bother to post insults at all

I'm raving about how I like XP better? You just said I'm too stupid to take care of a computer. If XP is insecure and I am stupid then surly I would mess XP up so quickly I would hate it? Sort of contradictory don't you think?

I always had automatic updates on. If you'd read the other posts you will see that I said Windows is secure, OSX is MORE secure.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista?! It's scary anyways. In the first place, you're telling me not to trust the stranger that posted the torrent, and to read the comments posted by other --strangers--.

There are many useful Mac programs, there are many useful Windows programs. Obviously for me and Kyle to switch over to OSX, there was nothing huge that we had to give up on Windows.

The problem with saying "you have to use it to know it" argument is a pointless one though, how many hours until you are qualified with knowing how one works? I've played around with Macs for years, they don't appear to of changed in that time other than different cat names and numbers.


Wikipedia is non-bias for a start and my knowledge if formed from users and reviews and general tid-bits. Also, a flaw in your argument. As far as you're aware, I must know how the OS functions to understand it, by owning one. So as far as I am aware, you could be talking rubbish, because I cannot prove your information is correct, nor can you prove your information is correct, without absorbing information from external sources. So we're now playing a dead-end argument built on trust... Also, you can learn to drive a car by reading a book. There's not alot to learn from "slightly depress the clutch" and I can guarantee that such help books will label what is what and what goes where. You can either drive a car or not, there's no such thing as "slightly good at driving" or "horrifically inexperienced at driving". Also, who's to say you're going to go straight on the road? You'd practice, and you don't need alot of practice to understand how a Mac works...


I'm now saying you have to use an alternative, my original arguments were:

-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned.

Your arguments look at those facts and you try to impliment opinion to knock them out. As far as facts and opinion go, they're two different things and opinion cannot take the place of fact, only fact can take the place of opinion.

My original arguments are yet to deemed invalid as far as you're concerned, because your way of depreciating facts is to strike them with opinion, but as far as common sense and fact go, they're correct. There are more things on a Window PC, correct. Your answer to that was "There are loads of Mac OSX alternatives." So? They're alternatives, there's not alot of them out there. Hardware, software, peripherals and so on. There are loads out there. Your argument is try and take away those facts by saying "So? That's not the point! It's the OS". See post # 19. Again, you're trying to pull away from the FACT that there's more that works with an OS. The FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you. A Mac is just as reliable and unreliable as any other OS. As my FACT goes, the only downfall is the person using it. Cars are reliable, the only downfall is the driver. Sweets are reliable, their only downfall is the idiot who's about to choke on theirs and blame it. The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC, the market share kinda proves this... Look at printers that mention "Windows Certified" or "Windows and Mac," and games that are only available for Windows, and programs only available for Windows, past, present and future. The day my churchs EasyWorship program official works on a Mac would be amazing, yet that program relies on other programs also being available to work properly on a Mac. Apparently .ppt presentations from a Mac don't seem to work, only ones that come from Office 07 do. Impress (Open Office) .ppt documents don't work either. I've had both chucked at me and it comes up with a loading error.


If Windows is insecure, then security mustn't be a problem. It works, it's secure that's all that matters. I'm just playing the "Ok, it's not secure" card just to please you Because apparently all my MSN details, passwords and stuff are apparently floating around. The fact that it is wise to install Anti-Virus software and so on seems to go right pass you. Windows Defender or Security Centre warns you about this from the start. If you ignore these warnings, who is to blame? You, not the OS because that was chucking out warnings from the start.


That's like me chucking out apocalypse theories that the world will end in a few days. No-one cares, and it seems unlikely anything will happen.


Don't torrents tell you what they include? Heck, I've downloaded stuff that had dodgy files in, and my PC is still working fine. What's this argument got to do with anything anyway? I'm sure I mentioned this argument is dead and buried, you can salvage a computer very easily from a virus problem.


I'm not going to fork out between £500-£2,000 to use a system when I've poked a Mac dozens of times in my life to see how one works. It doesn't take months to figure out how something works, otherwise school years would be longer and we'd all be in education till we are 30. There are loads of statistics online of how one works. Rash statistics? They're right infront of you. Just go on ebuyer, game.co.uk (or net, one of the two), play.com, amazon.co.uk, PCWorld.co.uk and other websites and you'd find more available on a PC than a Mac. The online store that Microsoft point you towards on their machines shows quite alot too. I very much doubt a Mac has more to offer. Also, I get my facts from reliable sources, not someone with a personal vendetta against a company because an OS was just far too different for them to handle. I'd be amazed what happens when Windows 7 comes out.

Also, you seem to not sleep

I find it very funny that you think you know so much about how OSX is terrible and how my argument here is pointless. You're certainly not an expert on OSX. You HAVE NOT used it. I can GUARANTEE someone who actually uses OSX knows it better than you. You saying not much has changed proves my point that you're not sure what you're talking about.

Wrong wrong wrong. You need experience with the car to learn how to work it. It's the same with OSX and with Windows. I cannot express how surprised I am, that you're still trying to argue the point that you're a genius about why OSX is bad without having actually used it.

I don't mean this rudely, but that's ignorance. You don't know as much about OSX (and that's a true statement, as you said, you have not used it).

I'd like to mention trust. I'd like to review some of the past posts, where you have said only gamming matters, nobody cares about security, only idiots get viruses and you have a superhero ability of judging operating systems without actually of used them. I'm not sure in which world where all those are facts.

You said:
"1-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
2-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
3-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned."

1. Totally ludicrous statement. I find it somewhat hypocritical that you're telling me I'm not stating true facts, when this obviously a very untrue fact. Show me the proof, from a creditable source.

2. Windows computers are safe, but not AS SAFE as OSX.

3. Your opinion is noted. HOWEVER it is only opinion and holds no fact.


Your opinions are far from common sense. Especially where you said you can do more on Windows, and security doesn't matter.

"FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you" Windows has a fair reliability rating, OSX has a higher one. FACT. See ratio of users contracting viruses on Windows vs OSX.

Once again, it's totally and utterly irrelevant as to who the end user is, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows users are at greater risk than OSX users when it comes to getting a virus. Nothing is going to change THAT fact, and that is a FAAACT.

"The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC" - Controversial. Very Controversial. Prove it. Just because it says it's compatible with Windows doesn't mean it's not compatible with OSX? ALL my hardware worked with my iMac, without doing anything (infact, it was easier getting my hardware to work with OSX than on Vista. I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap).

EasyWorship is not god. There are alternatives. I could say the same vice versa: "The day Quicksilver, Adium, LittleSnitch, iMovie, TextEdit, TextMate worked on Windows would be amazing." You see, not everybody cares about EasyWorship. There are OSX alternatives. EasyWorship is not something you ABSOLUTELY NEED, it is not the single piece of software we all depend on and without it we would be screwed. I can get alternatives for EasyWorship, just as I can get alternatives for QuickSilver.


BTW, you saying you don't "think" PPTs work with OSX sort of proves you don't know as much about OSX as you maybe should. PPTs work fine for me on OSX?

Once again, Windows is secure. OSX is more secure. FACT!!!1
(Antivirus is also not god, and does NOT catch everything)

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected over 10 million computers, and they now have 10 million computers at their disposal and they're not going to do anything. I LOVE the world!

Yes torrents do tell you what they include. No, they do not go like this:

1. product
2. keygen
3. readme
4. keylogger, but don't tell anybody

Yeah, spending hours re-imaging PCs was the pinnacle of my PC experience.

For you be be experienced enough to make such claims as you're making, it would take months. I thought that would have been obvious when you were curious about the functionality of PPTs on OSX.


I chucked at your last statement (preceding the lack of sleep..in Canada btw). You don't get facts from reliable sources. You're making them up out of the top of your head.

[Agnostic Bear]

Wrong. Getting an STI is the person's fault. But what I was saying is, it would be awesome not to have to worry about getting STIs in general.

Crashing cars is typically a drivers fault. Wouldn't it be nice if we magically could prevent car crashes altogether?

No, I think OSX is superior because I don't like Vista because I think Microsoft screwed up. Not because, as you so politely put it I'm stupid and cannot use operating systems? (btw -rep. Discussing this is one thing, resorting to childish name calling is another). Respect my opinion, debate my opinion, but when it comes down to name calling for the sake of it, that's ridiculous. I have valid reasons not to like Vista. Either agree, disagree or don't bother to post insults at all

I'm raving about how I like XP better? You just said I'm too stupid to take care of a computer. If XP is secure and I am stupid then surly I would mess XP up so quickly I would hate it? Sort of contradictory don't you think?

I always had automatic updates on. If you'd read the other posts you will see that I said Windows is secure, OSX is MORE secure.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista?! It's scary anyways. In the first place, you're telling me not to trust the stranger that posted the torrent, and to read the comments posted by other --strangers--.

There are many useful Mac programs, there are many useful Windows programs. Obviously for me and Kyle to switch over to OSX, there was nothing huge that we had to give up on Windows.








I find it very funny that you think you know so much about how OSX is terrible and how my argument here is pointless. You're certainly not an expert on OSX. You HAVE NOT used it. I can GUARANTEE someone who actually uses OSX knows it better than you. You saying not much has changed proves my point that you're not sure what you're talking about.

Wrong wrong wrong. You need experience with the car to learn how to work it. It's the same with OSX and with Windows. I cannot express how surprised I am, that you're still trying to argue the point that you're a genius about why OSX is bad without having actually used it.

I don't mean this rudely, but that's ignorance. You don't know as much about OSX (and that's a true statement, as you said, you have not used it).

I'd like to mention trust. I'd like to review some of the past posts, where you have said only gamming matters, nobody cares about security, only idiots get viruses and you have a superhero ability of judging operating systems without actually of used them. I'm not sure in which world where all those are facts.

You said:
"1-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
2-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
3-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned."

1. Totally ludicrous statement. I find it somewhat hypocritical that you're telling me I'm not stating true facts, when this obviously a very untrue fact. Show me the proof, from a creditable source.

2. Windows computers are safe, but not AS SAFE as OSX.

3. Your opinion is noted. HOWEVER it is only opinion and holds no fact.


Your opinions are far from common sense. Especially where you said you can do more on Windows, and security doesn't matter.

"FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you" Windows has a fair reliability rating, OSX has a higher one. FACT. See ratio of users contracting viruses on Windows vs OSX.

Once again, it's totally and utterly irrelevant as to who the end user is, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows users are at greater risk than OSX users when it comes to getting a virus. Nothing is going to change THAT fact, and that is a FAAACT.

"The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC" - Controversial. Very Controversial. Prove it. Just because it says it's compatible with Windows doesn't mean it's not compatible with OSX? ALL my hardware worked with my iMac, without doing anything (infact, it was easier getting my hardware to work with OSX than on Vista. I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap).

EasyWorship is not god. There are alternatives. I could say the same vice versa: "The day Quicksilver, Adium, LittleSnitch, iMovie, TextEdit, TextMate worked on Windows would be amazing." You see, not everybody cares about EasyWorship. There are OSX alternatives. EasyWorship is not something you ABSOLUTELY NEED, it is not the single piece of software we all depend on and without it we would be screwed. I can get alternatives for EasyWorship, just as I can get alternatives for QuickSilver.


BTW, you saying you don't "think" PPTs work with OSX sort of proves you don't know as much about OSX as you maybe should. PPTs work fine for me on OSX?

Once again, Windows is secure. OSX is more secure. FACT!!!1
(Antivirus is also not god, and does NOT catch everything)

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected over 10 million computers, and they now have 10 million computers at their disposal and they're not going to do anything. I LOVE the world!

Yes torrents do tell you what they include. No, they do not go like this:

1. product
2. keygen
3. readme
4. keylogger, but don't tell anybody

Yeah, spending hours re-imaging PCs was the pinnacle of my PC experience.

For you be be experienced enough to make such claims as you're making, it would take months. I thought that would have been obvious when you were curious about the functionality of PPTs on OSX.


I chucked at your last statement (preceding the lack of sleep..in Canada btw). You don't get facts from reliable sources. You're making them up out of the top of your head.

Would you kindly stop posting in this section before you make me use my thinking cap to floor you. You are currently making a rather large ass of yourself. Thanks in advance.

[HotelUser]

Would you kindly stop posting in this section before you make me use my thinking cap to floor you. You are currently making a rather large ass of yourself. Thanks in advance.

Quit threating me with thinking caps. It's not going to work

[Agnostic Bear]

Quit threating me with thinking caps. It's not going to work

Ok well I have 20 minutes until I eat so I will do some light thinking:

Wrong. Getting an STI is the person's fault. But what I was saying is, it would be awesome not to have to worry about getting STIs in general.

Wrong, getting an STI from someone with no symptoms who lies is not the fault of the person who goes on trust.

No, I think OSX is superior because I don't like Vista because I think Microsoft screwed up. Not because, as you so politely put it I'm stupid and cannot use operating systems? (btw -rep. Discussing this is one thing, resorting to childish name calling is another). Respect my opinion, debate my opinion, but when it comes down to name calling for the sake of it, that's ridiculous. I have valid reasons not to like Vista. Either agree, disagree or don't bother to post insults at all

Well done you are hating an OS just the same as these people who hate OS X because they're related to Apple.

I always had automatic updates on. If you'd read the other posts you will see that I said Windows is secure, OSX is MORE secure.

Incorrect, please see previous comments on PWN2OWN, Safari (which is built into the kernel) was owned first, in a matter of seconds, the only browser that stood it's ground was Chrome, which is a Windows browser.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista?! It's scary anyways. In the first place, you're telling me not to trust the stranger that posted the torrent, and to read the comments posted by other --strangers--.

The same applies for OS X, see: iWork trojan or whatever it is. Torrenting on Windows is a snap, download uTorrent, push a few buttons, open your torrent file, bam torrent. If you download from trusted sources, you wont have any problem at all.

You said:
"1-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
2-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
3-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned."

1. Totally ludicrous statement. I find it somewhat hypocritical that you're telling me I'm not stating true facts, when this obviously a very untrue fact. Show me the proof, from a creditable source.

2. Windows computers are safe, but not AS SAFE as OSX.

3. Your opinion is noted. HOWEVER it is only opinion and holds no fact.

1. There are more things on a Windows PC what are you talking about, Windows has a much bigger market share, it's only logical that there will be more "things" on it.

2. They're even safer! See: PWN2OWN, if that's anything to go by then OS X will crumble under it's own weight, which is already starting to happen.

3. It's not an opinion, in terms of price it is a bargain.

Your opinions are far from common sense. Especially where you said you can do more on Windows, and security doesn't matter.

You can do more on Windows, Windows has more things to do, that is easily viewable on any computer, just head over to the Registry, Administrative Controls or Control Panel, all have lots of things to do, far more than OS X you'll find.

"FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you" Windows has a fair reliability rating, OSX has a higher one. FACT. See ratio of users contracting viruses on Windows vs OSX.

OS X is only stable because it's restricted to a tiny hardware rosta, put them on the machines that Windows can run on and OS X will fall flat on it's face every time.

Once again, it's totally and utterly irrelevant as to who the end user is, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows users are at greater risk than OSX users when it comes to getting a virus. Nothing is going to change THAT fact, and that is a FAAACT.

0/10 nice trolling

"The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC" - Controversial. Very Controversial. Prove it. Just because it says it's compatible with Windows doesn't mean it's not compatible with OSX? ALL my hardware worked with my iMac, without doing anything (infact, it was easier getting my hardware to work with OSX than on Vista. I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap).

"I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap."
That's Plug and Play at work there chum, just with nice pretty colours.

Also with the amount of hardware that wont work with OS X I'd say there is more widely available on a Windows PC, that's just "common sense".

Once again, Windows is secure. OSX is more secure. FACT!!!1
(Antivirus is also not god, and does NOT catch everything)

PWN2OWN etc

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected over 10 million computers, and they now have 10 million computers at their disposal and they're not going to do anything. I LOVE the world!

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected several thousand Macs (given market share, that's a pretty huge number), and they now have the most expensive botnet on the planet at their disposal and they're not going to do anything.

Yes torrents do tell you what they include. No, they do not go like this:

1. product
2. keygen
3. readme
4. keylogger, but don't tell anybody

This is why you download from trusted sources, because they're trusted! (who would have guessed). Yes you could get a virus, you could also get a virus from downloading your favourite OS X program, it makes no difference.

I chucked at your last statement (preceding the lack of sleep..in Canada btw). You don't get facts from reliable sources. You're making them up out of the top of your head.

Unlike you who has a magical array of things at his fingertips, eh? about time we got someone who knows what they're talking about, eh eh eh?

I think I did it without breaking quotes, who knows. Time for consumption of mass quantities.

Consider yourself told and thought about for a small amount of time.