Security alert on Heathrow Airport plane

[Tash.]

They were most likely drunk and thought it would be funny to shout bomb, or as someone I was with in London a few years ago did; he shouted 'BOMB' as a joke on the Tube and then realised what he'd said although luckily nothing happened. On my views, no sorry - I am not singling anything so do not dare attempt to link me to racism. I'd advise you to watch what you write, don't try and be sneaky by linking me to racism or facism as others have done in the past when there is nothig racist or facist about what I am writing.

I am strongly against racism and facism, and that includes PC facists of which you sadly seem to be falling under increasingly, especially judging by this post.

Can you categorically tell me that they were drunk? No you cannot so you might want to think about what sort of people you might be attempting to defend here? They could actually have meant what they said, in which case how stupid would you feel then?

And on your views, I didn't even use the word racist or the word fascist so where you got those from i'll never know. I said you were verging upon your views becoming a prejudice. I didn't try to link you to racism or facism at all, now who's misrepresenting what someone else is writing? You. Yet again you see fit to bunch me together with the PC groups, I aren't PC. All I said was that you cannot say elderly people shouldn't be searched. For one thing, what would the cut off age be? 50? 60? 70? 80? Not only this, but by suggesting that elderly people shouldn't be searched because of their age now who's being PC?

And finally, i'm going to say this just once more:

You don't know me, you don't know my politics and you don't know all of my views so kindly stop presuming that you do.

[Jordy]

I do not know what old people you have met. Again this is all speculative, none of this has happened or shown any signs on happening. A terrorist could blow up an Arriva bus in Liverpool - what are we going to do!?

You seem to avoid my points at any rate, after posting a few times you did answer but with the usual tripe, you're no better than all these other politicians who don't directly answer questions. Your argument is incredibly flawed and would actually make things more unsafe than they currently are.

It's not spectacular to blow up a bus in Liverpool. Blowing something up over the Atlantic with hundreds of people on board will upset the nations of North America & Europe and will get the worlds media attention. Blowing up a bus in Liverpool will kill around 10 people and will hardly be a devastating message from Al Qaeda, common sense really.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It will be a big threat if the goverment said "right, we are never going to search old people".
Like I said, if we had your way, hundreds, if not thousands of people will die all because you don't want to search old people.

I must of missed the thousands of older people waiting to blow up airlines, or even the thousands of islamic terrorists who seem to be eager for older people to stop being searched so they can plant bombs in the OAPs knickers.

You seem to avoid my points at any rate, after posting a few times you did answer but with the usual tripe, you're no better than all these other politicians who don't directly answer questions.

It's not spectacular to blow up a bus in Liverpool. Blowing something up over the Atlantic with hundreds of people on board will upset the nations of North America & Europe and will get the worlds media attention. Blowing up a bus in Liverpool will kill around 10 people and will hardly be a devastating message from Al Qaeda, common sense really.

I have answered your points, if theres a point you'd like me to go into more then please do post it. I can only say so much on this subject, its a pretty black and white subject. On the terrorism, yes of course - the fact is that we have no granny bombers and all this thread seems to be is speculation on how old people could potentially blow us all up over the Atlantic.

That is not common sense, its fiction.

Can you categorically tell me that they were drunk? No you cannot so you might want to think about what sort of people you might be attempting to defend here? They could actually have meant what they said, in which case how stupid would you feel then?

And on your views, I didn't even use the word racist or the word fascist so where you got those from i'll never know. I said you were verging upon your views becoming a prejudice. I didn't try to link you to racism or facism at all, now who's misrepresenting what someone else is writing? You. Yet again you see fit to bunch me together with the PC groups, I aren't PC. All I said was that you cannot say elderly people shouldn't be searched. For one thing, what would the cut off age be? 50? 60? 70? 80? Not only this, but by suggesting that elderly people shouldn't be searched because of their age now who's being PC?

And finally, i'm going to say this just once more:

You don't know me, you don't know my politics and you don't know all of my views so kindly stop presuming that you do.

I did not say they were definetley drunk, I speculated. I feel stupid for you because you seem to think I am telling you that 100% in my mind they were drunk - wrong. The PC factor, yes you are PC. Your post attempted to link me to racism and warned me of it, well I don't need warning thanks because I know what is racist, and what isn't racist ~ not to mention the fact i've never posted a racist comment on this forum in the years I have been here.

The cut-off age wouldn't exist, its common sense - an old woman, hobbling along in an airport - I can clearly tell she is not a threat. A loud 60 year old? - perhaps and they would be searched if any doubt entered my mind about them.

I know you are left-wing, and nothing you have said so far seems to point me away from that.

[Seatherny]

It seems if you dont agree with UT, you lack common sense.

I must of missed the thousands of older people waiting to blow up airlines, or even the thousands of islamic terrorists who seem to be eager for older people to stop being searched so they can plant bombs in the OAPs knickers.

Oh my. The terrorists can brain wash anyone. What do you not understand? You frustrate me so much. You ignore what people are saying just like all the politicians. NO ONE HERE AGREES WITH YOU. But we must all lack common sense.

If the terrorists find that OAP's are no longer being searched, they will make use of it. It feels like I am arguing with a wall here. Going to get no where.

I cannot even believe you are arguing about this.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It seems if you dont agree with UT, you lack common sense.

Oh my. The terrorists can brain wash anyone. What do you nto understand? You frustrate me so much. You ignore what people are saying just like all the politicians. NO ONE HERE AGREES WITH YOU. But we must all lack common sense.

If the terrorists find that OAP's are no longer being searched, they will make use of it. It feels like I am arguing with a wall here. Going to get no where.

I cannot even believe you are arguing about this.

*REMOVED*, just as you lacked common sense in other threads where you seem to think things which are not racist are racist. My opinion, so don't go running off to report it asap because we know you have a history of that.

Terrorists cannot brain-wash anyone, total and utter garbage. Jordy may be on your 'side' in this discussion, but I can assure you that your opinions on other subjects from what I have seen don't merit much support mate. OAPS WILL NOT TURN INTO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS - I cannot believe that you have deluded yourself into thinking that the Taliban are recruiting old aged British pensioners into blowing up planes - it sounds like a fictional blockbuster movie.

Edited by MattGarner (Acting Assistant General Manager): Please do not be rude towards forum members.

[Jordy]

I must of missed the thousands of older people waiting to blow up airlines, or even the thousands of islamic terrorists who seem to be eager for older people to stop being searched so they can plant bombs in the OAPs knickers.



I have answered your points, if theres a point you'd like me to go into more then please do post it. I can only say so much on this subject, its a pretty black and white subject. On the terrorism, yes of course - the fact is that we have no granny bombers and all this thread seems to be is speculation on how old people could potentially blow us all up over the Atlantic.

That is not common sense, its fiction.

It is not fiction that Al Qaeda (and similar groups) want to create spectacular displays to the world (The bad kind obviously). Bringing down buildings, blowing up the tube network, killing crowds of people and bringing down planes. They're not interested in killing just a few people, they're trying to get the worlds attention to make a statement.

There's lots of holidaymakers who bring drugs into the UK, they're not bad people, they're just being paid an awful lot to do it, their desperate for money and take the risk.

And just a few weeks ago we would of called it fairytail to put a bomb in your pants yet we now know it's a very real possibility. It's a bit like last October you didn't think there was any real chance of another terrorism attack, hence why you didn't see why further scanners should be introduced.

Yet as soon as the christmas day attempt happened, you called for greater things to be done. You're not all that different to these politicians you continually dispise.

Currently your only suggestion is to stop searching grannies, which will just speed up queue times. It won't make any difference in stopping the terrorists unlike the new scanners which you oppose.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is not fiction that Al Qaeda (and similar groups) want to create spectacular displays to the world (The bad kind obviously). Bringing down buildings, blowing up the tube network, killing crowds of people and bringing down planes. They're not interested in killing just a few people, they're trying to get the worlds attention to make a statement.

There's lots of holidaymakers who bring drugs into the UK, they're not bad people, they're just being paid an awful lot to do it, their desperate for money and take the risk.

And just a few weeks ago we would of called it fairytail to put a bomb in your pants yet we now know it's a very real possibility. It's a bit like last October you didn't think there was any real chance of another terrorism attack, hence why you didn't see why further scanners should be introduced.

Yet as soon as the christmas day attempt happened, you called for greater things to be done. You're not all that different to these politicians you continually dispise.

Currently your only suggestion is to stop searching grannies, which will just speed up queue times. It won't make any difference in stopping the terrorists unlike the new scanners which you oppose.

I called for security to be tightend yes, on people with different nationality. I do not agree with personal liberties being taken away. Do not try and brand me a hypocrite because the lines between my opinions have stayed pretty clear all along. It is you who is like the politician, twisting my words into something they are not.

More searches based on nationality? - yes
More searches on everyone regardless? - no
Body scanners introduced? - no
Borders controlled? - yes

[Seatherny]

*REMOVED* just as you lacked common sense in other threads where you seem to think things which are not racist are racist. My opinion, so don't go running off to report it asap because we know you have a history of that.

Terrorists cannot brain-wash anyone, total and utter garbage. Jordy may be on your 'side' in this discussion, but I can assure you that your opinions on other subjects from what I have seen don't merit much support mate. OAPS WILL NOT TURN INTO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS - I cannot believe that you have deluded yourself into thinking that the Taliban are recruiting old aged British pensioners into blowing up planes - it sounds like a fictional blockbuster movie.

I have reported you twice before and I was correct considering you were warned both times

They can brain wash anyone. How do you know they cant? Have they tried it on you? They have managed to turn normal people into terrorists in a few months. We are on about this topic, and I clearly said no one agrees with you. Its common sense I mean in this thread if I say it in this thread. I swear you never read what people say and just presume people said it.

Terrorists can turn OAP into terrorists as there are many Islamic ones here who would turn into one. If they cant, they will make use of them and put something in their suitcase without them realising.

[Tash.]

I did not say they were definetley drunk, I speculated. I feel stupid for you because you seem to think I am telling you that 100% in my mind they were drunk - wrong. The PC factor, yes you are PC. Your post attempted to link me to racism and warned me of it, well I don't need warning thanks because I know what is racist, and what isn't racist ~ not to mention the fact i've never posted a racist comment on this forum in the years I have been here.

The cut-off age wouldn't exist, its common sense - an old woman, hobbling along in an airport - I can clearly tell she is not a threat. A loud 60 year old? - perhaps and they would be searched if any doubt entered my mind about them.

I know you are left-wing, and nothing you have said so far seems to point me away from that.

Right i'm at a loss as to how to speak to you really, you don't listen to what I say if I write it in paragraphs so i'm going to go for numbers:


1. The problem with speculation is, it's often wrong. In this case the difference between being wrong and right would be life and death. Not something really worth speculating over.

2. I didn't use the word racist. If I did, show me it and i'll eat my damn words but you won't find them, because I didn't say it.

3. So you're going to let airport staff use their judgement to decide whether or not to search people yes? How dangerous are you wanting flying to be? Seriously, that's as stupid a suggestion as i've ever heard. Others have said this to you, you're opening airports to terrorists and saying "Welcome, please come in and plant something on the person of an elderly lady/gentleman. We won't search them so it's fine" :rolleyes:

4. You don't listen, I just asked you not to decide my political leaning and you just did it the post after. What the.. I am not left wing.

[Jordy]

I called for security to be tightend yes, on people with different nationality. I do not agree with personal liberties being taken away. Do not try and brand me a hypocrite because the lines between my opinions have stayed pretty clear all along. It is you who is like the politician, twisting my words into something they are not.

More searches based on nationality? - yes
More searches on everyone regardless? - no
Body scanners introduced? - no
Borders controlled? - yes

You still have not suggested an idea on how to stop the terrorists.

Even if you just searched people of a certain nationality, unless you implemented more scanners then they would go through the current system which has been proved as not working.