Why do you post rudely about Nvrspk and Mad??

[Soil]

Give me one reason how this forum is any different then Habbo hotel.

There are:

- Admin
- Moderators
- Users (the community)
- Flaws
- Updates that require the site to close temporarily
- Blogs

I am sure there is more to list.

So responding to your top reply above, just suck up just like anyone else would if they want something done or talk to them privately about some complaints that you have and see what happens after that.

Most staff here do that anyway. They suck up and get what they want.

[le harry]

Give me one reason how this forum is any different then Habbo hotel.

There are:

- Admin
- Moderators
- Users (the community)
- Flaws
- Updates that require the site to close temporarily
- Blogs

I am sure there is more to list.

So responding to your top reply above, just suck up just like anyone else would if they want something done or talk to them privately about some complaints that you have and see what happens after that.

but wer is the furni................

[Soil]

but wer is the furni................

instead you get a job

[Earthquake]

but wer is the furni................

Rep blocks are furni!

Also, This thread is getting old like the ''Better modators need/hired or w/e,

[HotelUser]

but wer is the furni................

They don't work for furniture they work because they like it.
Managers get paid if I'm not mistaken, though it is something like 5 pounds a month or something.

Most staff here do that anyway. They suck up and get what they want.

No they don't. Many staff don't 'suck up' to get what they want. Your accusation is ridiculous.

[nvrspk4]

[Quote Nvrspk2] I think that the problem is that users lose sight of the fact that this is not a customer-is-right sort of thing, although we do follow that model, because we do what we do because we love it, and we do it for you as much as anything else.

I am deeply, deeply, deeply offended. You know me this long and you can't even get the number right?

Much as I respect and value you at Habbox this is not altogether true. Some work at Habbox because they love it and want to contribute others just want power and to look big. Presenting one face on the forum and then showing a spiteful and vitriolic face off the forum as the example above shows.

But that's sort of loving what they do. They love the power that comes with the job. Though you're right, some people are in it for the prestige.

I could quote many others as well. People use MSN etc as a tool to discredit and flame people too but I appreciate this is beyond the control of Habbox but a a member of staff in the highest position at Habbox should be seen as setting an example on and off the forum to be given respect. Respect has to be earned on and off the forum. Thanks

Our policy basically is that once that staff member goes on MSN they are no longer acting as a member of staff, nor are they representing Habbox. The only time their actions are called into questions are when they make a statement asserting the power of their Habbox position. So, for example, if I were to say to you on MSN, "You will never work at Habbox again if you do not get me a brownie this instant" you could report me for that. However its nearly impossible to get proof that you can be 100% sure is not altered in any way, because it is very easy to alter MSN proof.

I think the best person to ask about mad with regards to how well he does is Nvrspk and Sierk. Obviously he is doing well as he has not been fired :S. I think you don't like him because he fired you, or infracted you or something along the lines of that.

There is an obvious flaw in this arguement. People behave very differently towards the people they work for (ie Sierk) than to the people that work for them. Also nobody has ever disputed that he is extremely well organised and on the ball as far as the technical aspect of the post is concerned and has been good for the forum in that respect. Can't fault him for that -its the staff and public relations skills that he seems to lack which is pretty essential to both of the posts he holds. Obviously it is only Sierk that could fire him. I am sure NVR will speak for himself

To be fair, the issue of public relations was raised, and MAD did make a conscious effort to improve, so he did try, and sierk did advise him. Whether he succeeded is not my place to judge.

I could type up a 2000 word essay over this topic because I can and I know exactly what my arguement would be...but I choose to make this short and sweet.

I want to say that ---Mad--- is probably a very decent person and Nvrspk4 as well. They both got power, they can do whatever they want to ruin someone if they wanted to and no one would know except the one who is being picked on.

Anyway, enough of that boring introduction. I want to cut to the chase, basically there are 3 different types of staff members:

1) those who get the job to do great things for the community.

2) those who get the job to have all the power they need

3) Those who pretend to like their job but only do it to get the power to ruin other people's lives.

Trust me, I have been in that path before. Believe me, just don't get involved in either of them two and you won't have to witness any type of torture from them. It is honestly that easy.

Thanks, I appreciate that...if I translated it correctly :eusa_danc

Well said. Though I can assure you Nvrspk, MAD and Sierk are not like that.

I didn't say Nvrspk could fire him. But Nvrspk would most likely contact Sierk telling him what he thinks.

I would, and when MAD was becoming GM, sierk asked me what I thought. I gave some suggestions, he passed them on to MAD, who tried to improve based on the suggestions. So there is a suggestion structure, and MAD does usually take what is said into consideration, if you use the correct channels, state it nicely, and the criticism is constructive, not destructive.

There are 2 things I want to say:

1) There is a glitch when you click on "post reply" when you are offline, you can't log in until you delete your cookies.

You mean when you're working offline? I didn't think you were able to post while working offline :S Sorry, can't help you on that one

2) If mad nor nvrspk4 can't do their job based on other peoples' point of view, I recommend setting up a costumer service agent and move on from there.

All that does is set up an extra level of bureacracy, which will filter out even more suggestions, shoot down even more people, and make it take even longer to get things done. Sorry for shooting this down so vehemently, but in my opinion Habbox is already too much of a bureacracy, and it takes so long to get things done, I think adding another level would be counterproductive. Of course, that's only my opinion, and is up for debate.

Now, I want to say that all mods (such as Habbo mods) see things in a different perspective. Basically, each mod on Habbo bans you because of their beliefs and how they understand the situation even if it was a harsh judgement. Just like Habboxforum, each mods sees a different way of punishing you, even the staff. MAD/Nvrspk4 = power users of this forum - respect them with the upmost respect you can provide them and you will get what you want at the end of the day. When you got a problem with your college professor, you comfront them with what you believe is not right and should be done to have you guys on equal grounds, so why don't you guys take the time to do that on here as well.

You're absolutely right in that respect. Its their morals versus the rules in most cases, what doesn't seem to apply is that they should contest the rule before the fact, not after the fact. Even so, some people forget what its like to see the grass on the other side

I don't know about you guys but infractions are just as useless as 90% of the moderators on this forum (no offence but mods are useless for any message board on the internet because of the lack of power they get). If you (the staff) can manage to keep the users happy, then keep the infractions and move on with life but if it carries on like this then don't be surprized if something happened such as someone getting fired for too many infraction errors/complaints from the users not being responded too. *ahem*

I think the major difference is that users know exactly what they're getting. The usernote system more often than not resulted in the user not being told, but the evidence was concrete when someone was banned, IE: 21 usernotes, and barely anyone complained. I think the thing is that the infraction system is far too open to controversy, and the current rules allow users to denounce mods, infractions, question the rules, get things reversed on technicalities, etc. etc.

I find this topic to actually be very useless in so many directions. MAD and Nvrspk are just like Lost_Witness and Redtiz basically, they got power, they got a job, they do their best and they do what they can at their best interest and judgement.

I actually gained respect for Hotel Staff once I had been a moderator for 6 months You're actually right...sort of...in that people don't understand the difficulty of what they propose, or how ludicrous statements are, etc. etc.

So if I suck up to them I will get what I want? Thats practically what your post means.

What he means is that as long as you treat us with respect, we will offer you the same respect

I have tried being polite. I could give you many reasons why MAD is corrupt and lacks common sense, but if you look through my posts, you will probably find it yourself.
My opinion is that he is rude etc. Yours is that he is great. People have different opinions and dont have to agree. End of.
Whatever you say, the fact remains, I hate him.

But, does combating rudeness with rudeness get you anywhere? If he is indeed rude (I'm not going to debate *that* point as I don't know the specifics), then does being rude back do you any good, or put you in the right? I can understand you are upset, but it might not be the best way to go about it if you wanna achieve real results.

The fact MAD gets paid to run habboxforum is probably the only reason he hasnt resigned. I am sure sierk would have fired him, but he probably cannot find a replacement :]

I am sure that if MAD was really doing that bad of a job sierk would find a replacement. After all, we do have J1MI who always does a terrific job

Nvr is far too professional and diplomatic to let a dislike of anybody affect his judgment or mood when it comes to performing his Habbox duties so I don't reasonably think we can say one way or the other.

Thanks. I do try my best to not let personal biases interfere with the job, once again I can't say whether I succeed or not, because I don't really have a very unbiased opinion in that sense, because nobody is a terrific judge of themselves

Most staff here do that anyway. They suck up and get what they want.

Personally, its harder to get anywhere in my departments if you suck up in place of work. If you're genuine and work hard, you have the best chance of getting to high places. If you suck up and work hard, you'll get recognition, and somewhat slower promotions, because suckups tend to do badly in a managerial capacity. If you suck up, and don't work, you'll probably end up getting fired even faster than an inactive person, if that's at all possible. Most managers here can identify suckups immediately Whether they choose allow them to suck up successfully depends on the manager.

[Tom H]

I've worked with them both quite closely and there is nothing wrong with them

[Catzsy]

I know this is a bit off-topic

[Quote Nvrspk4] am deeply, deeply, deeply offended. You know me this long and you can't even get the number right?


I am so sorry but all I am guilty of is a typo error! Please don't put me in the naughty chair!

[HotelUser]

I know this is a bit off-topic

[Quote Nvrspk4] am deeply, deeply, deeply offended. You know me this long and you can't even get the number right?


I am so sorry but all I am guilty of is a typo error! Please don't put me in the naughty chair!

Another off topic: Why do you do quotes like that? :S Sorry if it sounds rude but you can just click the quote button and it does it all for you and even does the /quote to close it.

I've worked with them both quite closely and there is nothing wrong with them

Exactly.

[Catzsy]

QUOTE=HotelUser;3967163]Another off topic: Why do you do quotes like that? :S Sorry if it sounds rude but you can just click the quote button and it does it all for you and even does the /quote to close it.


Hmm well I am techless but I don't see it matters :S