Abortion: Right or Wrong? And what limits?

[Kardan]

If a woman wants an abortion, she should have an abortion. I don't think the male has any right to even make a decision on it really.

[The Don]

Perhaps I did slip up on my words there, I can't disagree with your comment.

What I meant anyway was that if both parents agreed, they should be allowed an abortion and not forced to give birth. But if one doesn't, the abortion should not go through. (which I'm sure you've picked up by now since I've mentioned it through all my comments lmao)

What you've just wrote reaffirms that you believe if the man wants the child and the woman doesn't then the woman should be forced to give birth.

Logically the decision to have an abortion is solely up to the woman as anything other than that would require the state to force women to either give birth or have abortions. This is purely related to the law, morally I would say that there should be an agreement between both the man and woman.

[lemons]

i cant believe what im reading

[lemons]

lol lewis your really ****** up how can you force a woman to give birth that's just absurd

forcing women to give birth will just lead to increased suicide/filicide, infant mortality rates, miscarriages, more kids put up for adoption and so on

[Lewis]

lol lewis your really ****** up how can you force a woman to give birth that's just absurd

forcing women to give birth will just lead to increased suicide/filicide, infant mortality rates, miscarriages, more kids put up for adoption and so on

I don't personally like children or babies whatsoever, so my comments don't affect me as a male. But that's what I think for the others, and I think if you get an abortion it is killing a life. Many will disagree with me, but we're all welcome to our opinions and I don't wish to judge anyone that disagrees absolutely with me (whether it comes to that it's a life or equal say), I may be in the wrong or you may be . I certainly don't have a right in telling other couples what I think about what they're doing, that's for sure.

[Francis]

To be honest..

You have to weigh into account: Is the baby going to have a better life living or not being born at all? I am pro-abortion but that's because I see some of the people that get pregnant (been working in a hospital for 2 years) and it's unbelievable how careless some of these people are. They can barely provide for themselves, and then they want to have a kid on top of it all.

[Empired]

Perhaps I did slip up on my words there, I can't disagree with your comment.

What I meant anyway was that if both parents agreed, they should be allowed an abortion and not forced to give birth. But if one doesn't, the abortion should not go through. (which I'm sure you've picked up by now since I've mentioned it through all my comments lmao)

By saying "the abortion should not go through" you are forcing a woman to give birth. That completely disgusts me and u keep saying you're sure plenty of other people agree with you but literally everyone is profoundly disagreeing with forcing a woman into giving birth. I'm sure if u found some super devout Catholics they might agree with u maybe??

The only thing forcing women to have birth will do is massively raise the number of illegal abortions which puts the woman at huge risk.

[Lewis]

By saying "the abortion should not go through" you are forcing a woman to give birth. That completely disgusts me and u keep saying you're sure plenty of other people agree with you but literally everyone is profoundly disagreeing with forcing a woman into giving birth. I'm sure if u found some super devout Catholics they might agree with u maybe??

The only thing forcing women to have birth will do is massively raise the number of illegal abortions which puts the woman at huge risk.

What I am simply saying is that the father deserves an equal say as the mother. I am completely against abortion overall, but if letting the fathers have an equal say helps to stop some, then so be it. That can be classed as forcing in one aspect of it, yes.

I'm not a religious person or a person that likes children in the slightest. To me, it's simply murder--no matter the many ways you can argue it's not, I've heard them all. As said, for those that do it, I'd never judge. For all I know I'm very much wrong, but my opinion sticks. And if I had an option to change the laws, I wouldn't change it to anything that the majority people themselves don't want. So yeah.

Whether a bunch of pro-christians agree with me or not, I couldn't honestly care less! And I never said plenty of people agree with me, I said there'll be many others alongside those who disagree. Not specifically on this forum of course!

To me murder is more wrong than forcing a woman to give birth. Others don't believe it's murder, which I can fully understand--it hasn't developed into an actual life yet and whatever else. But to me that doesn't matter (as explained in my previous posts as to why, also into reply to those who explain how it isn't murder... so please don't make that post again.)

[Empired]

What I am simply saying is that the father deserves an equal say as the mother. I am completely against abortion overall, but if letting the fathers have an equal say helps to stop some, then so be it. That can be classed as forcing in one aspect of it, yes.

What do u mean 'one aspect'. That is the only aspect. There is no other way of looking at it. A mother doesn't get a choice in whether or not she gives birth to this child. That is a definition of force...................

I'm not a religious person or a person that likes children in the slightest. To me, it's simply murder--no matter the many ways you can argue it's not, I've heard them all. As said, for those that do it, I'd never judge. For all I know I'm very much wrong, but my opinion sticks. And if I had an option to change the laws, I wouldn't change it to anything that the majority people themselves don't want. So yeah.

But a mother going to an illegal abortion centre to terminate her pregnancy is alright? To put her life at risk (and still the baby) is acceptable?

To me murder is more wrong than forcing a woman to go through birth. Others don't believe it's murder, which I can fully understand--it hasn't developed into an actual life yet and whatever else. But to me that doesn't matter.

I find that absolutely disgusting but can see that no amount of compassion for the woman and the baby (yes, compassion can sometimes mean deciding to abort) or common sense from other people will change your mind so I'm going to stop responding now.

[Lewis]

@Empired;

What do u mean 'one aspect'. That is the only aspect. There is no other way of looking at it. A mother doesn't get a choice in whether or not she gives birth to this child. That is a definition of force...................

Depending on what both the father and mother want in terms of abortion, there's four possible outcomes. One out of the four is forcing the mother to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

But a mother going to an illegal abortion centre to terminate her pregnancy is alright? To put her life at risk (and still the baby) is acceptable?

Yep, well done Einstein. I definitely said that...

I find that absolutely disgusting but can see that no amount of compassion for the woman and the baby (yes, compassion can sometimes mean deciding to abort) or common sense from other people will change your mind so I'm going to stop responding now.

As said before, a life matters to me more than the woman having some problems (problems which are of course very bad, the pain of birth, etc but a life is worth it).

Also as I've said before, under extreme reasons where the child would not be better off being born, I can understand abortion. So that part of your comment isn't exactly true.

You're welcome to stop responding, people are welcome to their opinions. I personally value a life more than a woman having to go through pregnancy. You, however, don't believe it's exactly a life during the abortion time, which it probably isn't in some way, so my comments likely make no sense to you, which I also understand .