International Side of Habbox

[FlyingJesus]

Anyone in the events team can add events as I said in my last post, what you're suggesting is something that is entirely surplus to requirement. You're basically asking to be given a role (because let's face it this is about you) that's nothing more than an extra features manager

[lawrawrrr]

Because there's really only 2 a day so I wouldn't really expect anyone to be modifying that many events at the moment if I'm 100% honest.

I fee like your post takes us straight back to square one and that you've missed my point entirely

So you're just going to stick with seniors then? From what I can see (even though people are saying they agree with some sort of International AGM or International Admin) you've said no to it all because it's not necessary. The point of them having the extra permissions is so that they can lead the international side. Very few international people can sort forum permissions and assuming only SEO's can add events then very few people can approve events, things like that where it's nice to know something can get done without waiting for England to wake up.

All events staff can add events?! It would be ridiculous to not have events staff book their own events, we'd have less than we currently do!!!!!!!

Forum permissions we don't need extra people for, they all get done within 24 hours and if they need to be done quicker then the manager usually messages myself, Lauren or Kelly. They're quicker now than they were a few years ago TBH...

I just don't see why all these extra permissions are so crucial to the role in your eyes? Even as (A)GMs we don't do a lot on forum/panel management because there isn't a lot TO do and what is there is certainly not critically urgent. There are realistically only 5 or 6 hours of the day where you can't contact any current management - I'm up at 7am every day and I know Lauren/Kelly stay up later than I do!

In answer to you though, I'm definitely not hiring an international AGM, no. Maybe some sort of development leader for now, but not someone who will have access to EVERYTHING we do because it's not at all necessary.

[Matt]

All events staff can add events?! It would be ridiculous to not have events staff book their own events, we'd have less than we currently do!!!!!!!

Forum permissions we don't need extra people for, they all get done within 24 hours and if they need to be done quicker then the manager usually messages myself, Lauren or Kelly. They're quicker now than they were a few years ago TBH...

I just don't see why all these extra permissions are so crucial to the role in your eyes? Even as (A)GMs we don't do a lot on forum/panel management because there isn't a lot TO do and what is there is certainly not critically urgent. There are realistically only 5 or 6 hours of the day where you can't contact any current management - I'm up at 7am every day and I know Lauren/Kelly stay up later than I do!

In answer to you though, I'm definitely not hiring an international AGM, no. Maybe some sort of development leader for now, but not someone who will have access to EVERYTHING we do because it's not at all necessary.

Because if you have someone from an international background that can do all that then it's appealing when an international person does decide to join. Having predominantly UK based management and staff doesn't appeal to the international side hence why there isn't really one at Habbox.

Yeah we don't have the staff now and therefore you see no point in having the role, but someone like an International AGM would focus on recruiting and build up from there - that's when the role would become effective.

I'll be honest and say I didn't really expect you guys to see the point in what I was saying and totally prepared myself for having the idea totally knocked down, as you don't really see what it's like for an international Habbox user.

[lawrawrrr]

Because if you have someone from an international background that can do all that then it's appealing when an international person does decide to join. Having predominantly UK based management and staff doesn't appeal to the international side hence why there isn't really one at Habbox.

Yeah we don't have the staff now and therefore you see no point in having the role, but someone like an International AGM would focus on recruiting and build up from there - that's when the role would become effective.

I'll be honest and say I didn't really expect you guys to see the point in what I was saying and totally prepared myself for having the idea totally knocked down, as you don't really see what it's like for an international Habbox user.

I actually do really see that the international times aren't great and we have had past staff tell us it's because of the lack of interaction in those times. I don't think that's down to upper management though, I think that's because there aren't enough other intl staff or members to talk to - in staff chats, on client, on forum... End of the day most of us here have probably stayed because of our friends, not because of upper management?

From the supervision perspective, that's why I'd like intl seniors (well all seniors actually) to step up a bit and make the extra effort. I'm launching my lil staff recruitment thingy today which hopefully will make everything a lot easier and incentivise the current staff - then I will revisit this concept in a couple weeks?

[Matt]

Anyone in the events team can add events as I said in my last post, what you're suggesting is something that is entirely surplus to requirement. You're basically asking to be given a role (because let's face it this is about you) that's nothing more than an extra features manager

Yeah this is about me because I'm from the international side of Habbox, can you blame me. I've not once said I'd take on the role and to be quite frank, I'd not want to take on the role. I'm suggesting it as feedback because the international side at Habbox is non-existent and it's clear that me suggesting ideas is better than doing nothing. How can you then say I'm asking for the role when I've not once indicated I want the role. All you're doing if defending events and licking Laura's ass, which shows you've missed the point of what I'm trying to ask for entirely.

I actually do really see that the international times aren't great and we have had past staff tell us it's because of the lack of interaction in those times. I don't think that's down to upper management though, I think that's because there aren't enough other intl staff or members to talk to - in staff chats, on client, on forum... End of the day most of us here have probably stayed because of our friends, not because of upper management?

From the supervision perspective, that's why I'd like intl seniors (well all seniors actually) to step up a bit and make the extra effort. I'm launching my lil staff recruitment thingy today which hopefully will make everything a lot easier and incentivise the current staff - then I will revisit this concept in a couple weeks?

I disagree and believe it's up to upper management to make a change. And ok do what you want

[Alysha]

The problem I have with all of your feedback threads is how angsty you get.

The AGM role is useless unless we get members in beforehand, having one person in that role won't bring in the masses, a base clientele has to be established first. When you were manager of events and forum (and whatever else you've been), did the international side increase at all? I haven't read through the whole thread to be honest, so I could have missed some vital points to this.
I don't agree with a senior management role dedicated entirely to it, but something lesser might be good, something that increases the activity and keeps people around that don't necessarily want to be staff.

[Matt]

The problem I have with all of your feedback threads is how angsty you get.

The AGM role is useless unless we get members in beforehand, having one person in that role won't bring in the masses, a base clientele has to be established first. When you were manager of events and forum (and whatever else you've been), did the international side increase at all? I haven't read through the whole thread to be honest, so I could have missed some vital points to this.
I don't agree with a senior management role dedicated entirely to it, but something lesser might be good, something that increases the activity and keeps people around that don't necessarily want to be staff.

The reason I do it is because no one listens otherwise. I honestly get annoyed at the fact nothing changes because people say no and don't like change. The reason my last few posts have been stroppy is because a number of people agreed with me but it's still not going to happen. Likewise with my other thread about AGMs hosting, people start saying no change is needed and that everything is fine the way it is (+ provide excuses) - and we get no where.

What I'm trying to say is, if we had an admin in place to help establish that international clientele it would work much better than leaving it up to Seniors and still having management who are predominantly UK based. Why do you think other fansites have OC, NA etc. Because it works and they are all able to target each international area (all having at least someone from that specific timezone in a position of power that can help lead).

[FlyingJesus]

It's not about licking anyone's anything, it's about correcting you when you're being clearly wrong about stuff. You repped me about making assumptions when this whole idea is based on the assumption that for some reason community staff aren't allowed to book their own slots for anything and require constant managerial input, so let's not pretend you have any idea how things work. AGAIN having a random international admin would add nothing at all because there is no job to do there, no matter how many other people who don't know how things work say that it would be nice to invent extra roles. What you're really asking for is a figurehead, because that's all an international AGM would be

[Empired]

I do think from what you've said, Matt, that an international AGM really would just be a figurehead. Obviously you wouldn't know how the new events (and whatever else) panel works because you've not been in the department since the beginning of v7 but honestly as a new trialist EO I can tell you Jake has been away since I started my trial and I've needed no input from him whatsoever from perms to booking events for myself.

Also, I do know how you feel when you're saying you feel like you're being ignored because habbox doesn't like change and so just keeps slamming new ideas (cough like system and hxhd to lounge) but in this instance Laura has clearly and rationally explained why an international AGM wouldn't be necessary. And to me those are legit reasons, and some of the reasons you've argued back at her (like normal staff not being able to access the panel) are actually entirely incorrect which has been pointed out before but to me it looks like you ignored them explaining the panel (or didn't really notice I guess...)

Ugh I hate typing on my phone so I've forgotten what my original point is so I'll stop there

[GoldenMerc]

I think if there was someone who was proactively pushing Habbox in a management position who was CA, AU, or what ever then sure, it'd make it a simple decision to push them to AGM Intl (which I do agree in some parts should happen - but only for the right person) Then they have their own team etc... But for now, we have about 3 intl members, until that lifts, there isnt any need.