Which political view is best for Britain?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Like my ignored point before said, the rulers in the east that use socialism are corrupt and use it to their benefit. People in this country like the marvellous Tony Benn could save us.

Although I admire Tony Benn for standing up for what he believes, it wouldn't work. I can tell you now from reading history, in every socialist revolution they pledged to be different, to be a peoples socialism - it never was for the people, never ever was. When socialists raise their fist upwards, they mean more power to the state, not the people.

Historically no system of governments ever lasted forever, big or small. I cant remember who said it, possibly Obama, but the point is valid. "It doesn't matter if a government is big or small, just that it works"

What i do think though is the powers a government can wield should be limited, for example basic human rights should not be something a government can get rid of on a whim (kinda like what labour is doing right now unfortunately)

Honestly though, my votes may well head off towards the pirate party if the uk version gets its act together and starts running. Not because i want them to win, but because them getting a noteworthy % in an election sends a powerful message to the bigger partys to rethink there stances on these issues. Primarily in respect to their policies on privacy and basic freedoms, as opposed to there views on copyright and patent laws (although i agree with a lot of this as well)

It has been proven though, time and time again that big government always fails. It could survive to an extend but it depends on what the people think, one of the great things about Old Labour was that at least they didn't go as far into the police state frame of mind as New Labour has done, which had eroded our civil liberties to levels not even seen in the Soviet Union.

You have raised an issue I agree with you on a lot and is very important, and I think it will become more and more evident as the years roll on. I think this police state mind is Labours answer to modern socialism, and it must be stopped.

Although I support the Conservatives, i'm still weary about Cameron and his motives although i'm willing and hoping that he will be radical, i'm more to UKIP though as they want small government, basically what Thatcherism was.

[GommeInc]

To lazy to read entire thread but i will point out, old labor was socialist and we did pretty well under them. The NHS, welfair state and all those other great instritions we have in the UK are also socialist in princible. But being socialist doesnt take away from the fact we are also captitalist and a democrasy? so that poll makes no sense o.0

Indeed, it's rare to come across a government that is either/or, usually it's a random mix - democratic-capitalist-socialist-soverignity <-Sums up the UK (I think, might be missing or adding some that shouldn't be there). Don't/wouldn't pure capitalist countries collapse under a cloud of greed? Where no-one will do anything, only for profit?

I hate politics, none of it makes sense as it should do - small parties have good policies but get shunned because of the media moguls seen as the larger parties and the larger parties lack basic common sense and seem to make judgements based on false pretences causing all kinds of problems for the silent majority. I wonder what other European countries think and have as presidents (don't mention Italy ).

[Mentor]

It has been proven though, time and time again that big government always fails. It could survive to an extend but it depends on what the people think, one of the great things about Old Labour was that at least they didn't go as far into the police state frame of mind as New Labour has done, which had eroded our civil liberties to levels not even seen in the Soviet Union.

You have raised an issue I agree with you on, and I think it will become more and more evident as the years roll on. I think this police state mind is Labours answer to modern socialism, and it must be stopped.

Although I support the Conservatives, i'm still weary about Cameron and his motives although i'm willing and hoping that he will be radical, i'm more to UKIP though as they want small government, basically what Thatcherism was.

Its been proven little government always fails too, no government so far has really lasted any length of time. So size is a pretty mute issue.

What i will agree with you on is that old labour was a great party who's views i support even now. New labour seems to being using 1984 as their guide on how to model a country, which is deeply worrying. Half of the justification is ridiculous too, How the idea we need to removal large chunks of are basic rights in order to stay safe from terrorists is able to fly in a country that was in a conflict with the IRA for the better part of a century is mind boggling..

[-:Undertaker:-]

Indeed, it's rare to come across a government that is either/or, usually it's a random mix - democratic-capitalist-socialist-soverignity <-Sums up the UK (I think, might be missing or adding some that shouldn't be there). Don't/wouldn't pure capitalist countries collapse under a cloud of greed? Where no-one will do anything, only for profit?

I suppose it'd be how you divide it up, we are purely capitalist I guess with the economy and certainly countrys such as South Korea are and it works, its not great but it does work.

Socially we're a mix, however welfare state can also be seen as a safety net, rather than a socialist organisation. I suppose its how you manage that organisation, if the NHS is controlled by givernment and has targets imposed on it constantly as it is now, then yes i'd say its socialist. If it is run seperatly from government, and made smaller and less centralised, i'd say it follows a conservative model.

[Jippz]

That's because good people haven't been given a shot at socialism. I mean, jeez, it's not even that old. Socialism so far has been used to corrupt benefit. Because capitalism just benefits rich people in general the only people it kills are 'worthless'

[-:Undertaker:-]

That's because good people haven't been given a shot at socialism. I mean, jeez, it's not even that old. Socialism so far has been used to corrupt benefit. Because capitalism just benefits rich people in general the only people it kills are 'worthless'

You cannot say that though, for the millions who died under it you cannot just say "lets give it another try" - we gave it a try, it failed.

Capitalism does not benefit just rich people and kills nobody. Does your dad work for a business/own a bussines? - or does anybody you know own a business?. Infact, have you ever bought something like sweets, and sold them on to someone for a higher price?

If so, then that is capitalism.

[Jippz]

That's an admirable PART of capitalism.
You're clearly just somebody who follows the media blindly. I mean, your signature says it all.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That IS capitalism, the basic of capitalism, the core belief of capitalism. To make profit and for individual freedom in that area. The aspects I mentioned seem to apply to you, so you say you would need honest true socialists for it to work, yet you yourself have capitalist elements already in you.

I do not follow the media blindly, what has Big Brother got to do with the subject anyway?

[Jippz]

Big brother is a perfect example of the downfall of society. Each housemate has been picked to play on your tastes, and distastes. Each shot used to manipulate your thoughts. Each leaflet used to sway you from Lab.... oops, i found a similarity.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Big brother is a perfect example of the downfall of society. Each housemate has been picked to play on your tastes, and distastes. Each shot used to manipulate your thoughts. Each leaflet used to sway you from Lab.... oops, i found a similarity.

..so whats your solution, ban everything against Labour? :rolleyes:

You are going right off the subject now, Big Brother has nothing to do with it (besides the fact sometimes it feels like we're living in a Big Brother state) with Labour eroding our civil liberties.

I don't need a leaflet, David Cameron or the Daily Mail to tell me how awful this government is doing, I can pretty much make my own mind up thank you just like I do not need to read the Guardian to hear how the evil little tories might possibly hand us over to the mighty billionares - oh wait, Labour has already done that.