Staff Returning

[Callum.]

Robbie you're fighting a pointless battle. Habbox's interests are at heart, and you seem like you're not willing to put what is needed to move up, it's not always easy or quick.

[nvrspk4]

The idea that sometimes staff who resigned and are brought back are best for the job has been met with criticism by those who say that you can learn on the job. And they're right. However, what you're not considering is that there are other factors other than being ready for the responsibilities for the job, certain traits which I would want my managers to have down BEFORE I promoted them.

Let me use an anonymous and vague example from when I was GM, that I promise is true.

A certain member of staff was very dedicated, and very good at the job they were doing. However, this member of staff had problems dealing with their coworkers, and also hadn't quite gotten the hang of maturity. Many times this person was passed over for the managerial position, simply because I did not feel that they had enough of a rapport with their current coworkers to be an effective manager (the same is true for Senior positions in most departments) and I also felt that this person didn't have the maturity.

Later on, because this person chose to slog it out because of love for the job, they eventually matured, got on good terms with the department, and moved up into management. But for a long time, there was some hostility whenever there were promotions in the department because this person would be constantly passed over.

I give this as an example of one of many reasons why someone might be "not ready" for the job, in a way in which simply promoting them to the job and letting them learn on the fly might do more harm than good. I feel like I've discussed this recently in a thread about pretty much the same topic, I believe there I also used an example of someone who was so critical and so good at the role they were currently in that it was better for Habbox overall to promote someone who was just slightly less qualified, and leave that person in the position (although I did discuss it with the person who was staying in their position, as that was only fair.) Still, there are a number of reasons.


That said, for the most part you don't get to return directly to the position you had, in most cases you return one lower. I have seen exceptions to this made for HxHD-SS because its a different type of seniority than any other department, where HxHD-SS don't really have an oversight or managerial role as much as simply having rights and a little more stature. But, when the situation warrants it, people do return to the position they had.

Also we shouldn't (me included) refuse to buy into a strategy simply because its not the traditional way of doing things. If it has been proven that the standard operating procedure no longer works because of certain situations (and I and many others have commented on how the staffing situation is dramatically different nowadays) and the management can give good reasoning for a new operating procedure, well then change is good.

EDIT: That ended up being so much longer than I thought it was going to be...even when I hit Submit Post and saw how long the post was I was really surprised lol.

[Slowpoke]

Not necessarily, but I know why etc. If you leave because "you can't be bothered" then obviously that's not showing dedication

Not necessarily, some people just simply grow out of the job, so to speak. If someone working in the competitions department begins to get bored of Habbo it means they're likely to quit the job seeing how the role requires them to use Habbo. It doesn't mean that they were not a dedicated member of staff

[Inseriousity.]

Robbie you're fighting a pointless battle. Habbox's interests are at heart, and you seem like you're not willing to put what is needed to move up, it's not always easy or quick.

just to add to this but 'Current objective: world domination' don't sound too good for future promotion prospects

Management try their best to hire the best people for the job for Habbox, that's the important thing. If the onlyway to do this is to rehire someone else who's just returned to the same position then so be it. Unfortunately, I don't always think it is the only way.

[despect]

Not necessarily, some people just simply grow out of the job, so to speak. If someone working in the competitions department begins to get bored of Habbo it means they're likely to quit the job seeing how the role requires them to use Habbo. It doesn't mean that they were not a dedicated member of staff

This. If someone stops enjoying the role then its only right to resign so that someone else can take the role and do a good job.

[Conservative,]

Not necessarily, some people just simply grow out of the job, so to speak. If someone working in the competitions department begins to get bored of Habbo it means they're likely to quit the job seeing how the role requires them to use Habbo. It doesn't mean that they were not a dedicated member of staff

I haven't played habbo of my own accord for nearly a year, it doesn't mean I don't enjoy DJing - I love it. I just go on habbo to interact with the listeners and I have no problem with that - again it's showing dedication. If you don't enjoy it, obviously leave, but if you enjoy the job, and just happen to not like 1 part of it, quitting is pretty pointless.

[Jsoh]

Personally the only things that would annoy me are;
- If the person left then went to another fansite and was allowed back without applying or anything.
- If the person comes back to a job higher up than the job which they previously left.
- If the person left a considerable amount of time ago (more than say 6 weeks).

Otherwise I think rehiring staff who are good at their jobs is no problem, as long as they do a good job there should be no worries in my mind.

[Hecktix]

We are given the task of running Habbox, Habbox will only run if there is a stable management team and within each department there is a strong team of senior staff.

This thread doesn't seem to be about General Management so we won't go down that road however this thread does seem to be about senior staff decisions within Departments.

I'll say what we've always said and what people have said in this thread, people are given positions based on whether it will be good for Habbox, if we do not feel that someone already in the department would do the role appropriately (you may disagree with our opinion, however I hate to be blunt but tough, we're management, it's our decision to make not yours - this isn't be being cocky, arrogant or power-mad it's me stating the truth. Habbox Staff appointments are the business of Habbox Management) and we know there is someone who is looking into returning who A) didn't leave that long ago B) would have walked their way to this promotion much earlier if they had stayed in the department we will give them the job, as our main concern is making sure our Departments run to the best of their ability.

The example nvr gave is quite true, and I don't think David will mind be saying this however I think Nvr may have been on about David (Hoteluser) - David told me the other week that although he had been at HxHD longer than any other HxHD staff, he felt that when management finally gave him his promotion, that was the time he was actually ready in himself to do the job.

We're out for the best for Habbox, take HabboxLive for example, when we put Jess back into the position of HxL Manager we got a lot of criticism, however I think I can safely say that we could not have chosen anybody within the department (with all due respect to JamesOYES, he even admitted someone with experience needed the job for the state the department was in) who could have turned HxL around like Jess could, it's turned from one of the most struggling departments on Habbox to one of the strongest in a matter of 2 weeks.

The majority of promotions at Habbox come through the standard system of promoting someone who has worked hard within the department, however if we think that within the department there isn't currently anyone for the job and we're aware of someone who would be good in the job wanting to return, we'll do it - and no matter how many feedback threads are made, we'll do it because we do what's best for Habbox and 90% of the time these decisions are the correct ones (HabboxLive for example).

[GommeInc]

If you've quit because you've got bored or because you were fired, then you've lost any right to come back and severed any link with "Seniorship". If you've left for short term reasons, like exams, then it's open for debate. In all other cases, you should have to work from the ground up, especially when there are other people who will have more right to be "senior staff", manage or "head" of the department.

That said, if you're obviously good for the job, then go back to being a senior member, but obviously if it doesn't cause a stir with established staff.

[Josh]

I haven't played habbo of my own accord for nearly a year, it doesn't mean I don't enjoy DJing - I love it. I just go on habbo to interact with the listeners and I have no problem with that - again it's showing dedication. If you don't enjoy it, obviously leave, but if you enjoy the job, and just happen to not like 1 part of it, quitting is pretty pointless.

No offence, but that's part of your job description as a DJ.