Staff Returning

[Conservative,]

Sure they may of been at other fansites and been radio manager or at a high role there? yh so? this is habbox not another fansite if you left that fansite to join habbox then doesnt mean you should have to work your way up again and prove your dedicated to habbox? :S
I really agree with what joe said before that i know if i applied and didnt get the job i'd feel undervalued and would mostly likely just give up whereas if someone else got promoted i'd think of other ways to improve myself to get a promotion next time.

As I said. People apply to habbox time and time again when they don't get in - the application process is just a fairer way. Unless you want to go around picking DJs up from other sites because you like them? Because that's essentially the same thing.

And yes - you need to prove dedication, but if you've been here a decent amount of time, showed you're a good DJ, helpful etc. but then are rejected because you have no "experience" that's MORE of a reason to leave because they haven't inquired into what experience you have.

It also shows you're willing to work your way up, if you've worked your way up other sites.

As I said - the manages need to at least ASK the people what experience they have. Whether it been in an application or just a convo on MSN like "hey, have you been Senior at any other sites..." "Yes... at these sites:.." because you cannot know who is the best for the job if you don't know what experience they have.

Regardless of dedication or skill, if you're judging on experience because "He was Senior DJ 2 years ago" but "he is a regular DJ currently" how can you know whether the current regular DJ was not Radio Manager of another official fansite? You can't. And there in lies my point - if you are hiring people because of experience, you have to take into consideration people who have been Seniors at OTHER sites as well as habbox. Because I think someone who has been Radio manager at 10 other sites (obviously they all have to be quite good) compared to one DJ who has been Senior DJ once 1-2 years ago, who would you pick? With a decent bit of common sense - the dude who was RM at 10 other sites. Oh, but wait, you wouldn't know that because you DIDN'T ASK ;l

[despect]

As I said. People apply to habbox time and time again when they don't get in - the application process is just a fairer way. Unless you want to go around picking DJs up from other sites because you like them? Because that's essentially the same thing.

And yes - you need to prove dedication, but if you've been here a decent amount of time, showed you're a good DJ, helpful etc. but then are rejected because you have no "experience" that's MORE of a reason to leave because they haven't inquired into what experience you have.

It also shows you're willing to work your way up, if you've worked your way up other sites.

As I said - the manages need to at least ASK the people what experience they have. Whether it been in an application or just a convo on MSN like "hey, have you been Senior at any other sites..." "Yes... at these sites:.." because you cannot know who is the best for the job if you don't know what experience they have that imo would waste a hell of a lot of time whereas they could either promote someone within the department OR bring someone back.

Regardless of dedication or skill, if you're judging on experience because "He was Senior DJ 2 years ago" but "he is a regular DJ currently" how can you know whether the current regular DJ was not Radio Manager of another official fansite? You can't. And there in lies my point - if you are hiring people because of experience, you have to take into consideration people who have been Seniors at OTHER sites as well as habbox. Because I think someone who has been Radio manager at 10 other sites (obviously they all have to be quite good) compared to one DJ who has been Senior DJ once 1-2 years ago, who would you pick? With a decent bit of common sense - the dude who was RM at 10 other sites. Oh, but wait, you wouldn't know that because you DIDN'T ASK ;l

Ever thought people could just say "yeah i've been radio manager here, general manager here, head dj here" etc and actually lie about it to make them look better? you don't exactly expect habbox to go to these fansites and ask whether they are actually telling the truth. that imo would waste a hell of a lot of time when they could easily promote someone within the department OR bring someone back who knows what they are doing.

[Conservative,]

Ever thought people could just say "yeah i've been radio manager here, general manager here, head dj here" etc and actually lie about it to make them look better? you don't exactly expect habbox to go to these fansites and ask whether they are actually telling the truth.

You have to have an element of trust. Obviously if you think they're lying then don't accept it, but it's unfair to hire someone because you know their past experience, against a potentially better candidate, but you can't be bothered to check their experience.

[despect]

You have to have an element of trust. Obviously if you think they're lying then don't accept it, but it's unfair to hire someone because you know their past experience, against a potentially better candidate, but you can't be bothered to check their experience.

I don't see as being unfair its about doing whats best for the department and whats best for habbox as a whole.

[Alex3213]

I don't see as being unfair its about doing whats best for the department and whats best for habbox as whole.

This. I could say "I HAZ BEEN COMPS MANAGER OF THAT FANSITE CALLED HABBOCOMPS" (lol sorry had to use a name which didnt exist) but all in all, how does that make you any more valued? It could have no more than 5 members!! Department Managers take into account their Habbox history rather than another fansite because that's what they've worked for, and the processes are going to be near abouts the same as they were since they left. A department manager will take everything into account, I know that any manager on here would cos they're all very genuine people, to see what is best. I haven't got a problem with staff returning as long as it works well (although that makes me a hypocrite because of the competitions rule- however I take this as an exception due to it's limited numbers).

Also would like to touch on your point about trialing for promotion there Robbie. Trust to start off with. Normally a member of management will make sure they are well and truly trusted, giving three members the promotion permissions could have one, or even two abuse it. Another thing is that there aren't enough things to go around, that's why most departments say no more than 4 HRVRs for example (dunno if that's the case), no more than 5 Super Staff for the Helpdesk- it'd make the department VERY chaotic and could put it in a worse state than it already is. Finally the thing which everyone seems to be talking about: being disheartened. I would hate having a "trial promotion" cos it makes me feel under pressure, guilty if I got it over the others and upset if I didn't get it at all. That could lead to three resignations without you even realising it.

[Molly.22]

I haven't read the whole thread as it's got really long but people are saying things about how they 'deserve' to go back to a higher position. I don't think that's true, if you resign, you've given up that position, maybe thats why people don't mind about resigning as they can just get it back when they want? Not that I can say much by going back to a senior role but I guess once you are in a high position, you don't want to go back to being just normal staff. Lots of hardworking staff get nowhere in the department because of people going into these higher positions which could be making people resign. Of course there are both good and bad points of taking someone back but if it makes the department better then why not?

[scott]

As I said. People apply to habbox time and time again when they don't get in - the application process is just a fairer way. Unless you want to go around picking DJs up from other sites because you like them? Because that's essentially the same thing.

And yes - you need to prove dedication, but if you've been here a decent amount of time, showed you're a good DJ, helpful etc. but then are rejected because you have no "experience" that's MORE of a reason to leave because they haven't inquired into what experience you have.

It also shows you're willing to work your way up, if you've worked your way up other sites.

As I said - the manages need to at least ASK the people what experience they have. Whether it been in an application or just a convo on MSN like "hey, have you been Senior at any other sites..." "Yes... at these sites:.." because you cannot know who is the best for the job if you don't know what experience they have.

Regardless of dedication or skill, if you're judging on experience because "He was Senior DJ 2 years ago" but "he is a regular DJ currently" how can you know whether the current regular DJ was not Radio Manager of another official fansite? You can't. And there in lies my point - if you are hiring people because of experience, you have to take into consideration people who have been Seniors at OTHER sites as well as habbox. Because I think someone who has been Radio manager at 10 other sites (obviously they all have to be quite good) compared to one DJ who has been Senior DJ once 1-2 years ago, who would you pick? With a decent bit of common sense - the dude who was RM at 10 other sites. Oh, but wait, you wouldn't know that because you DIDN'T ASK ;l

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[Jsoh]

I haven't read the whole thread as it's got really long but people are saying things about how they 'deserve' to go back to a higher position. I don't think that's true, if you resign, you've given up that position, maybe thats why people don't mind about resigning as they can just get it back when they want? Not that I can say much by going back to a senior role but I guess once you are in a high position, you don't want to go back to being just normal staff. Lots of hardworking staff get nowhere in the department because of people going into these higher positions which could be making people resign. Of course there are both good and bad points of taking someone back but if it makes the department better then why not?

I agree, if someone got a job which is higher up than mine which I wanted and they had previously left, it would be extremely degrading considering I wouldn't have left the site and they weren't dedicated enough to stay.

However at the same time I totally understand why they are allowed to return, because they would make the department work better etc, I don't think it would do any good for morale in the team.

[Alkaz]

Surely if you know that someone has held X, X and X positions and how ever many fansites you should question the dedication they had for them sites and if they would have that for Habbox. The only way to gain trust and for people to know your experience and dedication is through time spent in a department. If you were just given which ever senior position was going who is to say you will know what you're doing and wont mess it up.

[Grig]

I've managed the ClubHabbo radio for a fair few months and I can tell you this, they worked on applications for senior DJs, and that was a nightmare because people became spiteful that they weren't chosen; people got demotivated, people moaned and people quit. It also by far did not represent the best candidate for the job. This was until I abolished the absolutely silly system of picking senior DJs based on applications, but rather pick them on merit of past work and what not. To add, no one is asking you to accept a senior position, you can feel free to reject it if you like. They don't tell you "YO, PICK IT OR WE'LL SHOOT YOU". No it is totally your choice, so if a person doesn't want it, reject.

I would like to think, it's fine and dandy that you have been on BBC 1 for 10 years, or been managing every official fansite under the sun, but, at the end of the day Habbox operates in a completely different way. We are not going to go around every fansite looking and which Head DJ should take the equivalent position here. You work your way up, build your repertoire etc. until management is confident you are the person who can deserve the role more than anyone.