Ireland to vote on EU Lisbon Treaty in October

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Call this democracy?

The Republic of Ireland will hold a second referendum on the EU's controversial Lisbon Treaty on 2 October, Irish PM Brian Cowen says.
He made the announcement in the Irish parliament on Wednesday.
The treaty, aimed at streamlining EU institutions, was rejected by Irish voters by referendum in June last year. Mr Cowen has now secured binding EU guarantees that Lisbon will not affect Irish sovereignty over key issues such as military neutrality and abortion.


These issues, along with taxation policy, were identified as major concerns of Irish voters. "I believe these concerns have been addressed now in the shape of the legal guarantees," Mr Cowen told parliament on Wednesday.
"On that basis, I recommended to the government that we return to the people to seek their approval for Ireland to ratify the treaty and that referendum will take place on 2 October."

Most EU member states have ratified the treaty, but the Eurosceptic presidents of the Czech Republic and Poland have not yet signed it, saying they will wait for the decision of Irish voters.

Shame on the Irish Prime Minister for making his people vote again, I wonder if he allowed his opposition party another election a few months after he was voted in - didn't think so. I also wonder that if the treaty had got through, would the Republic of Ireland be having another vote this time around to see what they think now? - didn't think so.

The fact the European Union has now offered Ireland opt outs (which will later be scrapped anyway) goes to show all along, that they do and always have aimed to create a European superstate despite the people of Europe not wanting a unelected European superstate to have powers over sovereign elected governments.

Iran and China must be laughing when our governments and the EU itself labels them undemocratic.

[alexxxxx]

nah but they weren't laughing when all the EU stood up and backed us against Iran and threatned them when our embassy staff were arrested.

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Iran must be trembling in its boots now the EU is involved.

[alexxxxx]

which is why they let some of them go

[-:Undertaker:-]

Thanks to the EU telling Iran how much it disapproves?

In essence, we need to surrender 75%+ of our laws to a unelected body, pay billions and billions into the European Union and have our business, fishing and agriculture suffer with regulation so our so called allies & friends can call for the release of some embassy staff?

Are you actually serious?

[alexxxxx]

completely 100% serious.

viva europe, the european union and my fellow europeans. the body IS elected. billions and billions = £10bn/yr, in which we get the majority of all that money back. you don't know that those laws are not what something that you'd agree with. the EU as the largest trading bloc in the world and the with the largest economy in the world has a big weight behind what it says. We'd do the same for the french, the germans, the czechs, the romanians, the bulgarians and the spanish if they are in a similiar situation.

how about you go and read some europa.eu to find out some more stuffs about it.



Britain has always been, still is and forever will be part of Europe, it's economy and it's political setup.

Euronews is also a great TV channel to learn about the EU and fairly non-biased reporting.

[GommeInc]

completely 100% serious.

viva europe, the european union and my fellow europeans. the body IS elected. billions and billions = £10bn/yr, in which we get the majority of all that money back. you don't know that those laws are not what something that you'd agree with. the EU as the largest trading bloc in the world and the with the largest economy in the world has a big weight behind what it says. We'd do the same for the french, the germans, the czechs, the romanians, the bulgarians and the spanish if they are in a similiar situation.

how about you go and read some europa.eu to find out some more stuffs about it.



Britain has always been, still is and forever will be part of Europe, it's economy and it's political setup.

Euronews is also a great TV channel to learn about the EU and fairly non-biased reporting.

Europe has always been the biggest trading area of the world, dating back hundreds of years ago before the EU came about? :S And if all these figures are true, that the billions the EU make which go back to the respective countries, then how comes they do not make this known? As far as I can tell, they make themselves deliberately hated by not stating what good they do :/

[alexxxxx]

Europe has always been the biggest trading area of the world, dating back hundreds of years ago before the EU came about? :S And if all these figures are true, that the billions the EU make which go back to the respective countries, then how comes they do not make this known? As far as I can tell, they make themselves deliberately hated by not stating what good they do :/

That's the idea of the EU, to move money about to help the richer countries sell their goods in other countries and help the poorer countries. billions of Euros were spent in Ireland in improving their infastructure, millions (maybe billions) have been spent here. If you go to alot of places (like the market square in nottingham, much of liverpool, hundreds of other projects like art galleries and even businesses get money from the EU) you will see a european flag. It's because it's part-funded.

Look at www.europa.eu to all the things they actually do. They don't just hoard the billions given to them.

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completely 100% serious.

viva europe, the european union and my fellow europeans. the body IS elected. billions and billions = £10bn/yr, in which we get the majority of all that money back. you don't know that those laws are not what something that you'd agree with. the EU as the largest trading bloc in the world and the with the largest economy in the world has a big weight behind what it says. We'd do the same for the french, the germans, the czechs, the romanians, the bulgarians and the spanish if they are in a similiar situation.

how about you go and read some europa.eu to find out some more stuffs about it.



Britain has always been, still is and forever will be part of Europe, it's economy and it's political setup.

Euronews is also a great TV channel to learn about the EU and fairly non-biased reporting.

So we do need to do all that just to get our so called friends and allies to help us?. Do you really think Iran gives ones or even remotely cares about what the European Union has to say, especially when the majority of its citzens do not even want it?

I'd prefer not to use a European Union channel thanks, I prefer history which is solid fact, you know like the example we have given of Europe trading fine with the EU for hundreds, if not thousands of years before the European Union existed?

Whats the difference between the Third Reich and the European Union in political structure terms? - the Third Reich was at least voted in.

Europe has always been the biggest trading area of the world, dating back hundreds of years ago before the EU came about? :S And if all these figures are true, that the billions the EU make which go back to the respective countries, then how comes they do not make this known? As far as I can tell, they make themselves deliberately hated by not stating what good they do :/

Exactly, but oh no without the European Union we would collapse Gomme, we'd be in poverty and the whole world would be in collapse, even though the farmers, fishermen and everyone else who is against the European Union know better than the eurocrats in Brussels - we are still apparently wrong. The political systems of the Soviet Union and the European Union are exactly the same, neither was voted in, sham elections were held in the parliaments of those countrys while the ruling elite still held the power, both also have/had a command economy which is centralised which is the opposite of the free market.

Its very strange how our country would suddenly collapse without the European Union, despite the rest of the world not being part of the European Union. If someone supports the economic side of the European Union (although that even doesn't even benefit us) then what is their excuse for the European Union becoming a political union? - they want a superstate, no doubt about that.

Why isn't anybody being asked whether they want this superstate? - because nobody does want it!

Alex later goes on to say how billions have been spent in the Republic of Ireland (sorry, since when did we pay our taxes to fund the Republic of Ireland?) and later says how Liverpool has apparently benefitted from the European Union, well no because that hardly makes sense at all, just look below, its primary school mathematics.

European Union
I give you, Gomme, £2 to spend on me.
You keep £1, and spend the other £1 on me.

Independance
I keep the £2 to spend on myself.
I spend the full £2 on myself and have double the benefits, & I can choose what I spend my money on.

Also the European Union has had billions going missing from its books for years, apparently its financial records have seen billions disappearing and its unknown where this money had gone - and it widely known.

[LuketheDuke]

LOL you used the example I gave in another thread and completely turned it on its head!

With the EU you get something back as other countries put into the big pot which we can take out of (see what Thatcher did with Agriculture in the 80's). With independence theres no external change so you end up paying more to keep British industries afloat.

Please dont highlight that as how the EU operates. Look onto the site alexxx posted and you can find out what Im trying to tell you.