Conservative Party failure on immigration as it soars by 20%

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-numbers.html

Immigration soared by 20% last year - making a mockery of Government pledge to bring it DOWN

• Migration Watch UK: 'These figures lay bare the legacy of the Labour government'
• Number of Poles living in the UK has risen from 75,000 in 2003 to 532,000 at the end of last year

The number of people migrating to the UK soared by more than 20 per cent last year, according to official figures released today. The rise from 198,000 in 2009 to 239,000 last year flies in the face of the Government's pledge to bring net migration down to just tens of thousands by 2015. Net migration is the difference between those arriving and leaving the country in 12-month period. 'These figures lay bare the legacy of the Labour government,' said campaign group Migration Watch UK' chairman Sir Andrew Green.

'Immigration last year was close to a quarter of a million. 'The coalition Government will have to face down some vested interests if they are to get anywhere near their target of tens of thousands.' The increase was fuelled by sharp drop in the number of people leaving the UK to live abroad.

Soaring figures: number of people migrating to the UK soared by 20% last year

Gerard Batten, Ukip's home affairs spokesman, branded the Government as 'losing the plot' when it comes to the figures. 'The rise of 21% in year-on-year net immigration figures tears a gaping hole in any pretence that this Government has the faintest idea of how to deal with runaway migration,' he said. 'This gives a lie to all those silky promises made by (Prime Minister David) Cameron at the time of the General Election and the thousands of soundbites by Government ministers since then. They have lost the plot.'

He said the rise meant 'that the population of a city the size of Stoke-on-Trent has arrived in the UK in the last year alone'. 'These headline net figures also disguise an even more concerning trend, and that is the transfer of population made clear by the gross figures which show that over half a million - more than the population of Sheffield - have arrived in the last year, while 336,000 have left,' he said. 'The social impacts of this are even greater than the bald figures make clear. 'This Government is afraid of dealing with the issue and it is frightened of talking seriously about the it.'

Ukip's Gerard Batten, left, has slammed the Government for its 'silky promises' about immigration, while Immigration Minister Damian Green, right, says the coalition is working on ways to 'drive down' figures

Shadow Home Office minister Shabana Mahmood accused the coalition of not being 'honest' with the public. 'These figures reveal the gulf between the Government's rhetoric on immigration, and the reality we see in the official figures,' she said. 'Since an immigration cap was introduced by the Government, the number of work-related visas issued has gone up. 'Net migration, the Government's measure for its pledge to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, now stands at 239,000. 'The Prime Minister said "no ifs, no buts" on immigration, but on the contrary "ifs and buts" sum up the Government's policies.' She went on: 'The Government is not being honest with the British public.

Schools which have to cater to children with different languages, people taking out of the welfare system who have never put in, the inability of us to control EU immigration because we no longer are allowed by the EU to control our own borders, a government which talks tough but is just like the last government..... what an utter mess. When I warned to Conservative Party voters that this government would be the same as the last, one policy they held up to me was this one - I rightly said that i'll believe it when I see it....... and here we are.

The Labour Party, Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats will not cut immigration, time to stop pretending. At the next election they'll all say exactly the same as before that they are going to be tough on immigration (even though they can't as members of the European Union) - is anybody going to fall for it again is the question.

Thoughts?

[GommeInc]

My thoughts are: Politicians don't do what they say they will do and promise. They sugar coat and lie to get into office. They are not the public servants they should be and we're better off trying a party that hasn't got identical brothers/sisters. So we should ought to rule out the New Labour Party, Conservative Party and Liberal Democrats from the polls, and vote for a party that may actually be different and do what they say they will do. The top three are just the same party speaking the same language using different words that mean the same thing. They act exactly the same I don't get why we even have a voting system in this country, we change from New Labour to Conservatives yet we may as well be voting for tomatoes and tomataes, or Aubergines and Egg Plants.

[jackass]

That huge net migration figure is heavily due to a much lower emigration though, rather than a heavily increased immigration.

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That huge net migration figure is heavily due to a much lower emigration though, rather than a heavily increased immigration.

And a government which has pledged to reduce net immigration has failed utterly.

[Chippiewill]

Well, it's technically impossible for the government to do much about it because we appear to be members of the EU (For some reason.)

[MKR&*42]

I definitely agree that all these politicians "sugar coat" their way in to power.

Hardly any of their policies have even been thought about or been successful - good example immigration. I do think that we should definitely be looking for "different" parties to be elected into government, not the same, boring labour, lib dem. and conservative - more like Green, U.K.I.P and BNP (if you want them in :L).

And yeah, whilst we're part of the EU, we can't really stop it - but it is absolutely ridiculous how many immigrants come into our country - it's perfectly acceptable if there's a war in their country, or a "huge disaster", but if they come here, get benefits and relax all day , for no reason -that's just incredibly stupid. Also I don't understand why they think they can all crowd into 1 place. The UK is only a small island - we can't hold tonnes of people :S.

The only way immigration rates will drop , is if U.K.I.P get elected (they may or may not do something about it). or if.. BNP get elected - but they aren't fairly popular to people, so for now, it look likes immigration is here to stay high!

( Just a side note - i'm strongly against the conservative party, they haven't really done much good for this country :/ )

[Wig44.]

I definitely agree that all these politicians "sugar coat" their way in to power.

Hardly any of their policies have even been thought about or been successful - good example immigration. I do think that we should definitely be looking for "different" parties to be elected into government, not the same, boring labour, lib dem. and conservative - more like Green, U.K.I.P and BNP (if you want them in :L).

And yeah, whilst we're part of the EU, we can't really stop it - but it is absolutely ridiculous how many immigrants come into our country - it's perfectly acceptable if there's a war in their country, or a "huge disaster", but if they come here, get benefits and relax all day , for no reason -that's just incredibly stupid. Also I don't understand why they think they can all crowd into 1 place. The UK is only a small island - we can't hold tonnes of people :S.

The only way immigration rates will drop , is if U.K.I.P get elected (they may or may not do something about it). or if.. BNP get elected - but they aren't fairly popular to people, so for now, it look likes immigration is here to stay high!

( Just a side note - i'm strongly against the conservative party, they haven't really done much good for this country :/ )

It would be a disaster if either the Green party or the BNP got in to power.

[Catzsy]

The mail and others have 'cherry picked' bits of information to suit their purposes and given a skewed account of what is going on. I have no love for this government but to actually get the facts relating to this I suggest you have a look at the actual report:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migrat...011/index.html |
The headline in The Mail states that immigration has soared by 20% which is highly misleading. The immigration figures seem quite static but emmigration has fallen dramatically so the 20% is difference between those who have immigrated and those who have emmigrated and does not show any actual significient rise in immigration at all. There seems to have been a bit a band wagon jumping here by parties keen on stopping immigrattion. It also seems that short term immigration for the purposes of work has fallen by 40%
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/search/ind...ion+short+term

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The mail and others have 'cherry picked' bits of information to suit their purposes and given a skewed account of what is going on. I have no love for this government but to actually get the facts relating to this I suggest you have a look at the actual report:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migrat...011/index.html |
The headline in The Mail states that immigration has soared by 20% which is highly misleading. The immigration figures seem quite static but emmigration has fallen dramatically so the 20% is difference between those who have immigrated and those who have emmigrated and does not show any actual significient rise in immigration at all. There seems to have been a bit a band wagon jumping here by parties keen on stopping immigrattion. It also seems that short term immigration for the purposes of work has fallen by 40%

Immigration is the action of coming to settle in a country.
Emmigration is the action of leaving the country to settle in another.
Migration is the term used to describe both combined.

Therefore in describing immigration as soaring by 20% is true, as a proportion (as the graph clearly shows) immigration to the United Kingdom has jumped despite what the government has pledged. I am afraid you have your language muddled up.

As for parties seizing upon this, the Labour Party in which you support never did anything about this problem and instead made it worse - so i'm afraid you yourself can't go around lecturing people on the subject especially concerning migration figures in which the Labour government lied to us about [concerning Eastern European immigration of which we can't control because we're a member of the EU]. But can I ask you a question, do you think immigration should be controlled as opposed to as it is at present, uncontrolled?

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/search/ind...ion+short+term

Do these government figures include the one million+ estimated illegals living here or those getting in via visa abuse? thought not.

The rise from 198,000 in 2009 to 239,000 last year

[Catzsy]

No, Dan, immigration is the amount of people who have entered the country. The headline is not MIGRATION it is immigration. Again even you can see that this has not soared 20% in the last year. Also I am not sure how many illegals in are this country but that has nothing to do with with that report. That's a totally different issue.