Changing time, UK to move to European time?

**scottish** · 28-10-2011, 01:49 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15490249

The government is considering moving the UK's clocks forward by an hour for a three-year trial period.

Ministers are writing to counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to seek a UK-wide consensus on a trial.

It would see the UK adopt Central European Time, with BST plus one hour in summer and GMT plus one in winter.

But a spokeswoman for the Scottish government said its "established position" was that there was "no case for a change to existing arrangements".

'Double summertime'

If adopted, the change would mean that for one autumn, the clocks would not go back, synchronising the UK with much of Europe, and British Summer Time (BST) would effectively continue throughout the winter months.

The following spring the clocks would go forward by an - to BST plus one hour, or two hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) - something which has been called "double summertime".

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TIME FACTS
Up until the coming of the railways, people kept time by the sun. This was known as local mean time
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The idea of British Summer Time was floated in 1906 but not implemented until 1916
The British Summer Time Act 1972 stipulates that GMT begins on the last Sunday of October and BST on the last Sunday of March
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The move is a response to the Daylight Savings Private Members' Bill put forward by Conservative MP Rebecca Harris.

It calls for a review of the potential costs and benefits of advancing the clocks by one hour, and if the review recommends it, a trial period.

Ms Harris told BBC2's Daily Politics her bill was about "moving an extra hour of daylight from the morning when a lot of us waste it in bed to the evening when we can actually get out and enjoy it and do things after school and work".

Advocates cite a range of benefits to lighter evenings, including promoting sports and exercise and reducing energy consumption.

Road accidents

But for years the case in favour of change has struggled because of opposition in Scotland where it would leave some northern-most areas without daylight until 10am during the winter months.

Critics say this would make the lives of outdoor workers harder and increase road accidents. Northern Scotland saw a net increase in the number of people killed or seriously injured during a trial from 1968 to 1971.

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Fixing the clocks to British summertime would mean that dawn wouldn't break in Scotland until nearly 9am”
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Angus MacNeil

SNP

Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens told the Daily Politics it was not just a problem for Scotland.

"It's not just Highlanders and milkmaids who are going to suffer when this comes in, it's absolutely everybody.

"We'd all in England have breakfast in the dark. Then in the summer it twists the other way so you'd be watching Newsnight and it'd be light outside."

The government opposed Ms Harris's bill when it had its second reading last December on the grounds that it made no provision for consultation with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

But the Department for Business is now tabling amendments relating to the devolved nations which it says will allow Westminster to support it.

Business Minister Ed Davey said consensus would be needed to make any changes:

"This is an issue which affects everyone across the country so we cannot rush head first into this," he said.

"It is only right that we at least look at what the potential economic and social benefits of any change might be."

'Absolute veto'

A spokesman for the Scottish government said welcomed the commitment to consult the devolved administrations formally but added: "The Scottish government's established position is that there is no case for a change to existing arrangements."

And SNP MP Angus MacNeil said any change would have "massive implications for the safety and wellbeing of everyone living north of Manchester".

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Tim Yeo

Conservative MP

"It is no secret that Tories in the south want to leave Scotland in darkness, but fixing the clocks to British summertime would mean that dawn wouldn't break in Scotland until nearly 9am," he said.

But Scotland's farming lobby, NFU Scotland, said while it was "nervous" about the potential impact, the time was right for a full, independent analysis.

According to Whitehall sources, the Scottish government will get an "absolute veto" on the proposals.

That has annoyed the Conservative MP Tim Yeo, chairman of the Commons energy and climate change committee who tabled a bill in 2007 aimed at getting the clocks moved forward by one hour.

He said: "It's feeble to say that this change is the right thing to do but they will only do it if Scotland says yes. This is far too important an issue to allow the Scottish tail to wag the British dog."

The clocks were moved forward by an hour during World War II to maximise productivity at munitions factories and ensure people got home safely before the blackout.

Following the 1968 to 1971 trial, when BST was employed all year round, a White Paper said it was impossible to quantify the advantages and disadvantages of the move.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15494984

**Kyle** · 28-10-2011, 01:53 PM

what the hell is the point

**scottish** · 28-10-2011, 01:54 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15494984

watch the argument

meant to save lifes and stuff, but it failed 7 times in the past so no idea

inb4undertakermakessomementionoftheEU