In a year, 29m Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in the UK

[-:Undertaker:-]

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We're on our way to Britain: In a year up to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. And many from the gipsy community can hardly wait to get here

- Since EU borders were opened up in 2004, 1,114,368 Eastern Europeans have uprooted to live in England
- And more are set to arrive over the next 12 months, tempted by tolerance and a host of benefits

In a year's time, when a total of 29 million Bulgarians (and Romanians) gain the right to live, work, and claim state benefits in Britain under EU 'freedom of movement' rules, a great many families from Fakulteta plan to decamp the 1,250 miles to the UK

Olympic boxer Bobby George stands on an icy street in the Bulgarian shanty town where he grew up.

A cruel wind whips his dark hair as snow falls on the chaotic rows of shacks which are home to 50,000 of the European Union’s poorest inhabitants.

Plunging his freezing hands into his thin leather jacket, he says despairingly: ‘There is nothing for my gipsy people here.

Their eyes are turning to England where they can have a better life. Hundreds of families want to go to the UK because they have no future in my country.’

George is lucky. Five years ago, he changed his name from Boris Georgiev and left the seedy slum of Fakulteta, on the outskirts of the Bulgarian capital Sofia, to settle in Luton, Beds, with his wife, Tina, and daughter, Gergana, now six.

They have since had another daughter, one-year-old Mari.

A couple of weeks ago he returned on a cut-price flight for Christmas and found nothing much has changed.

Growling stray dogs chase each other down alleyways, rats scamper over piles of rubbish, and children in slippers, long outgrown with their backs cut out, dodge horse-drawn gipsy carts as they run to the few shops for a 40p loaf of bread.

The Sofia bus route does not reach Fakulteta because the drivers refuse to go there, as do the rubbish collection men. At night, the place is pitched into darkness because there is no street lighting.

The only indication that the city authorities recognise the huge gipsy town’s existence is the electricity meter boxes bolted tightly to the tops of telegraph poles so they cannot be tampered with by residents.

The main supermarket — the owner is himself a gipsy — has stopped all credit because of the debts racked up for unpaid groceries.

No wonder that in a year’s time, when a total of 29 million Bulgarians (and Romanians) gain the right to live, work, and claim state benefits in Britain under EU ‘freedom of movement’ rules, a great many families from Fakulteta plan to decamp the 1,250 miles to the UK.

‘The gipsies have no jobs because ordinary Bulgarians do not like or trust us,’ explains Bobby George.

‘We are discriminated against as gipsy people. In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same. Of course, they will want to go.

‘But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.’

Bobby, a good-looking 30-year-old with a pugilist’s nose, is probably right about Britain nearing its limits.

The latest Census, published this month, reveals how mass immigration has dramatically changed our country. Since EU borders were opened up in 2004, 1,114,368 Eastern Europeans have uprooted to live in England.

Last year, 40,000 Bulgarians and Romanians moved to the UK, joining 130,000 of their countrymen who have settled here during the past decade.

But these numbers are nothing compared with the flood of migrants expected when the rules change in a little over a year’s time.

Until now, migrants from the two former communist nations (officially barred from working or claiming benefits in Britain until the freedom of movement rule comes in on January 1, 2014) have neatly exploited a gaping loophole in the EU rules.

It allows Bulgarians and Romanians claiming to be self-employed to get a British national insurance number and a raft of hand-outs, including housing and child benefit.

Many of the new arrivals have worked hard, cornering the market in car-wash companies, for instance.

But others are less industrious, and include Roma gipsies who, remarkably, now sell a third of all copies of the Big Issue.

Even selling one copy a week of the magazine (created to help the British homeless) miraculously gives them self-employed status and allows them to beg with impunity outside shops and on street corners.

Bulgarian and Romanian incomers have been blamed by police in their own countries and in Britain for a massive rise in organised crime, including the trafficking of children to Britain to beg, pickpocket, milk state benefits and even enter the sex trade.

It is estimated that 2,000 children from Romania and Bulgaria are under the control of modern-day Fagins in our major cities.

According to Scotland Yard, a skilful child thief can make up to £100,000 a year ‘working’ on the streets, buses and Tubes in London — cash that is sent back to Roma villages and towns at home.

If anybody has a defence for this madness of opening the floodgates then i'd be glad to hear it, because we're subjected to this by the three main political parties yet none of us have ever been asked if we wanted this craziness. Just take a step back a moment and think how insane this all is.

This is where being ruled by the European Union and voting for the three main parties who support multiculturalism gets you. I have to say though, that the irony will arrive in a few years when ghettoised areas (usually Labour supporting inner city areas) will start voting in their own radical candidates who reflect their own views - the kind of people who have no respect for womens rights, would happily have gays sent to death and have no interest in Britain or British culture and certainly do not share anything in common with me or you.

The words from the famous Enoch Powell Rivers of Blood speech are chilling, but it's becoming more realistic year on year.

Thoughts?

[-Sweex]

If anybody has a defence for this madness of opening the floodgates then i'd be glad to hear it, because we're subjected to this by the three main political parties yet none of us have ever been asked if we wanted this craziness. Just take a step back a moment and think how insane this all is.

This is where being ruled by the European Union and voting for the three main parties who support multiculturalism gets you. I have to say though, that the irony will arrive in a few years when ghettoised areas (usually Labour supporting inner city areas) will start voting in their own radical candidates who reflect their own views - the kind of people who have no respect for womens rights, would happily have gays sent to death and have no interest in Britain or British culture and certainly do not share anything in common with me or you.

The words from the famous Enoch Powell Rivers of Blood speech are chilling, but it's becoming more realistic year on year.

Thoughts?

I'm all for immigration where skilled workers are involved for things such as doctors etc, but allow immigration into a country where resources are already strained is just plain ludicrous. I was always under the impression however that immigrations have to work for at least a year and paid taxes for a year to be able to claim benefits? With some of the stories in the media recently I don't know how valid that is any more.

[Chippiewill]

Immigration is good - with limits. EU regulations don't allow limits which I guess is the issue at hand here.

If we could prevent unskilled labourers entering the country then this would be fine, but I'm not really sure what we can do about this other than lobby our politicians to give us the damn referendum.

[Stephen]

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[GommeInc]

They've had the right to move to the UK since January 2012... They were not allowed to enter to the pre-accession countries (Germany, UK - basically all of them except Bulgaria and Romania) for about 5 years, and that block was lifted at the beginning of 2012. Previous to that the pre-accession countries upheld their right to disallow entry for these countries. So this article is 12 months out of date. It would be another year (Jan 2014) but the UK never signed up to have the ban extended to 7 years - the only country as far as I am aware to have extended this ban for 2 years was Germany, and even then they've opened up their borders to the new EU member states.

In short, a lot of the details of this article are false. The block ended January 2012 - very few Romanians/Bulgarians left the country heading towards the UK. The ban won't end in 2014 because no such ban exists - we could of opted for a 2 year extension but there was no evidence of mass-immigration and last but not least, we have laws which the EU have approved where only trained professionals can enter the UK (and other EU member states). There are few professionals in RO and BU, and evidence released last year by the German socialstraat suggests they were moving to Germany (the professionals) rather than the UK as our job market is already saturated and uninteresting. So this article seems a bit sensationalist with very few brain cells immobilised when writing this up :/

[-:Undertaker:-]

The article refers to restrictions being lifted completely, and it's true; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20287061

[GommeInc]

The article refers to restrictions being lifted completely, and it's true; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20287061

The restrictions can't be lifted - it's an article in the TFEU and further supported by Directive 2004/38 (and the UK created or amended English, Scottish and NI Law to implement the Directive, as a dualist country we do not immediately implement EU law, it has to be passed through Parliament unlike France who is monist and immediately enacts EU law). It's community wide and cannot be ignored, because removing such a restriction is a violation of EU law and means bad news seeing as it's in the TFEU (Treaty for the Foundation of the European Union). So it's not really true, as for once EU law has these restrictions which covers all EU member states.

For once EU law works, but it would be easier for it simply not exist and for the UK and all other EU states to simply decide their own terms on who to let in and out.

[karter]

Roma people are actually treated really badly in Bulgaria. This is a short passage which was given in my political science book on how Bulgarians think of the gypsies and what the condition of Romani people in Romania is:

“Being a nurse you can’t refuse to look after some people, but
these Roma people are very dirty. Even when something small
happens to any one in their family, all the family and even the
neighbours just march to our hospital. And once they are in the hospital
they don’ t know how to keep quiet. They talk aloud, smoke and drop ashes all
over and spit on the wall! They have no patience, and they just start pestering our
doctors! And when they are just hanging out like that any way they look so
aggressive. After all these dark skinned people don’t look like us. They have a
strange sense of colour. Look at their dress, why can’t they try to look like
everyone else in the country? And we all know they are thieves. I have heard
people say that these Roma people live by selling their blood. None of them can
afford the hospital fees. But when they are ill they just rush to hospital at the cost
of good Bulgarians who pay their taxes!”

Modruzeni, a Romani who lives in Romania says when
she was eighteen years old, she went to the hospital, to give birth to her first
child. She had no money to pay to the doctor or nurse. Though she was in the
hospital, nobody bothered to come and take care of her Finally the sweeper, who
was also a Romani, helped her give birth to a boy. And then the nurse appeared on
the scene and said, “Here we have another criminal”. Talking about how the Roma
people are treated in public hospitals, she says: “These doctors k eep us waiting
outside their cabins. On one occasion one doctor asked me to take a bath if I
needed to be examined! Of course, I smelled. During the pregnancy I ate
from the garbage containers, because I was so hungry all the time. My
husband had left me. I had two children, and I was pregnant with the
third.

I am surprised that Bulgarian government is not doing much when it calls itself a secular state. 900,000 members of the ethnic minorities which also includes Turkish Bulgarians have left the country since 1990. Although I sympathize with them but a burst of unskilled, poor people in any country would be bad. Wiki says that around 84% of the gypsy population remains under the poverty line as compared to around 30% ethnic Bulgarians, only 6-12% of the kids apply for secondary education. The Unemployment rate is high and many females work in brothels. The Bulgarian government should really do something as the country has had negative population growth since 1990s due to emigration.

[Grig]

White Britons could become a minority-majority sooner than I thought after reading this. The policies of immigration are a shamble.

Read this article from 2 years ago: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...rity-2066.html

It's the wrong kind of immigration. Coupled by lowered birth rates (something I'll do in a debate shortly), it could see western Europe swept by a white minority population.

If Labour get re-elected it'll become even worse, as Labour are much more in favour of immigration.

[Kardan]

White Britons could become a minority-majority sooner than I thought after reading this. The policies of immigration are a shamble.

Read this article from 2 years ago: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...rity-2066.html

It's the wrong kind of immigration. Coupled by lowered birth rates (something I'll do in a debate shortly), it could see western Europe swept by a white minority population.

If Labour get re-elected it'll become even worse, as Labour are much more in favour of immigration.

On a slight off tangent, why do people and the media get bothered about the fact that White Britons will soon be a minority compared to everything else (and technically, they'll still be more White Britons than any other ethnic group).

I mean, I could understand why people would be bothered if Britons were an ethnic minority in Britain, why why do only White Britons count? Really ticks me off...