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    Default UN 95% convinced humans cause global warming

    STOCKHOLM -- A U.N. panel said Friday it was more certain than ever that humans were the cause of global warming and predicted temperatures
    would rise another 0.3 to 4.8 degrees Celsius (0.5-8.6 degrees Fahrenheit) this century.


    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) also projected sea levels would rise between 26 and 82 centimeters (10.4 and 32.8 inches) by 2100, and warned of a higher risk for heatwaves, floods and droughts.
    Environmental activists and scientists said the first volume of the panel's long-awaited review, released in Stockholm, made it clearer than ever that Man's fossil-fuel burning must be urgently curbed to limit future damage to the climate system.
    In a report summary, the Nobel-winning group said it was “extremely likely” — a term meaning it was 95-percent convinced — that humans caused more than half the warming observed over the past 60 years.
    In its last report in 2007, the panel had rated its conviction at 90 percent.
    U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres said the report's release was “an alarm clock moment for the world.”
    “To steer humanity out of the high danger zone, governments must step up immediate climate action and craft an agreement in 2015 that helps to scale up” efforts to curb greenhouse gas emissions, she said.


    http://www.chinapost.com.tw/life/env...0003/UN-95.htm (Just the first site that came up)

    Is this near certainty enough to finally convince the naysayers that humans are causing global warming? I personally was always amazed that some people seem to think that humans have absolutely no impact on what is happening to the global climate. Sure there have been many drastic climate cycles in our history, but humans do seem to be accelerating something that would naturally take many more years to happen otherwise.

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    Ahahahaha, of course they are coming out with this PR - they just had a month of bad PR when it was revealed that the trends were wrong.

    When the IPCC says global warming is man made, it's like the EU calling for accountability or the University of East Anglia talking about honest science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin247
    but humans do seem to be accelerating something that would naturally take many more years to happen otherwise.
    Uh and how do you come to that conclusion other than accepting what the IPCC say? the point is, that it's now been accepted that temperatures over the past 15 years have cooled despite what the UN, IPCC and others said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-sceptics.html

    IPCC report is 'full of hocus pocus science', claim sceptics

    The evidence for man-made climate change has been growing “weaker and weaker” while the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been ramping up “alarmism” about it, sceptics have claimed.

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    The Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC) blamed the “politicisation of science” for the belief that warming is caused by human activity.

    Those who subscribed to this theory were failing to take into account the fact that climate has always changed throughout history, the scientists argued.

    They made the claims as they launched their report Climate Change Reconsidered II in central London following the publication of the latest IPCC report, which concludes that man’s influence on climate change is “clear” and that global warming is unequivocal.

    Prof Bob Carter, an NIPCC member formerly of James Cook University, Queensland, said: “In the 1960s, science and politics did not mix. As my career has progressed through to retirement, I’ve seen more and more a creeping politicisation of universities and science itself.”

    He blamed the IPCC for presenting a “profoundly distorted” view of climate science to the public, claiming it was a “political body” that was “destroying the essence of the scientific method.”

    He said: “[The IPCC] is increasing alarmism [while] the evidence is getting weaker and weaker…

    “This is hocus pocus science and the IPCC report is full of it.”

    It was in the interests of governments to agree that climate change was man-made because it was a vote-winner, Prof Carter argued.

    “The greens are incredibly influential,” he said.

    Education systems were being “controlled” and young people were being subjected to propaganda about climate change science, he claimed.

    "It's a religion, in fact, that has to be challenged," he said.

    According to the NIPCC’s report, it is wrong to assume that the Earth had a stable climate before the industrial revolution.

    Climate has always changed and always will, it argues.

    Attempting to stop climate change is therefore an “expensive act of utter futility,” the sceptics suggest.

    Atmospheric carbon dioxide, meanwhile, is not a pollutant but of benefit to humankind, they claim.
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    95% is not absolute certainty, and given how actual scientific evidence from independent bodies suggest it's natural (with the obvious fact that when you leave an ice age things get warmer). I wouldn't trust the UN any more than I trust the WHO, who muck up statistics all the time and over-exaggerate claims on an almost criminal level.
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    While it's totally ridiculous to claim that humans are the cause of global warming (and does anyone actually think that? never heard from/of anyone who does) it's also completely pointless to assume that we don't contribute to it. Whether I personally care enough to change my lifestyle or not (hint: nope) the simple fact that many of our inventions do simulate the same waste energy processes as the natural world doesn't change, and it logically follows that our actions have had an effect to some degree. I wouldn't ever claim that humans "must" change in order to save the planet from a totally natural phenomenon, but the idea that it being natural means we're free from all blame is like saying we should murder people since they're going to die naturally some day anyway.

    ps Michael Savage sounds like a complete idiot and seems to employ a tactic of just shouting NO YOU'RE WRONG and pretending that having been to a jungle means he knows everything about global environment. I picked a flower on the South Downs so I am now a more accomplished botanist than any research professor.
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