Debunking: Anne Frank Died in Bergen Belsen

[MightyMagician]

Some solid points to consider:

-There is absolutely nothing consistent that proves without a doubt that Anne and her sister died in the concentration camps, especially Bergen Belsen. I've tried, I really have - but there are no photos of Anne or Margot Frank in Bergen Belsen, not even in the barracks. There are no signed documents from the Nazi's that confirm either of them died. No bodies were ever found, despite those who supposedly dumped the bodies wrapped them in identifiable white sheets. No photos of the dead bodies, no videos either.
-In 1945 when Janny Brandes contacted Otto Frank that both Anne and Margot died and that they buried their bodies, Otto Frank made no attempt to try and find their bodies, ever. Not even until he died. The thing is, Janny used white sheets where others were not wrapped in such ways, so it would make sense that during that summer he'd know the exact grave they were buried in, given she was in all 3 camps with them. The only reason Otto Frank wouldn't have wanted a proper burial would be if there was no body to be found.
-Despite being given credible info from Irma Menkel and Janny Brandes, it still took Miep Gies nearly 10 years to have her death on paper.
-The fact that Anne Frank is not seen in any Bergen Belsen photos is evidence she wasn't there for long, and likely got transferred to Theresienstadt in the Czech Republic.
-Auschwitz was a factory of typhus and starvation deaths. Typhus was so rampant in the camp that pesticide had to be used to somewhat control it, but it still caused people to die. If Anne Frank died of typhus, she died in Auschwitz, yet records prove she was sent to Bergen Belsen.
-After the war, the diary of Margot Frank went missing and has never been found - where did it go? The Nazis, nor Otto Frank and any of the helper took it, so who does that leave? Anne and Margot.

Challenge: Find me something solid Anne Frank died in Bergen Belsen, be it a photo, document, or video.

Good luck

[FlyingJesus]

I thought we did this already do you just post nonsense around the internet and forget where you've already been

[MightyMagician]

I thought we did this already do you just post nonsense around the internet and forget where you've already been

You really love attacking me, don't you? Alright: I corrected certain facts, left out a few, added new ones, a general revision. There was no consensus in that thread either, and it came down to why Anne Frank would have left everything behind, to a video documentary I mistakenly cited. Either way, it doesn't mean others can't join in here. Feel free to leave if you want.

[Red]

From survivor testimony. Typhus was also rife in Bergen Belsen when it was liberated. It couldn't cope with the large influx of prisoners sent there due to advancing allies. I've never heard anything about her being buried in a white sheet? She was probably thrown into an unmarked mass grave.

[MightyMagician]

From survivor testimony. Typhus was also rife in Bergen Belsen when it was liberated. It couldn't cope with the large influx of prisoners sent there due to advancing allies. I've never heard anything about her being buried in a white sheet? She was probably thrown into an unmarked mass grave.

Janny was kind of like a guardian for sick children in Bergen Belsen, whom she claimed to have looked after Anne and Margot when they allegedly fell gravely ill, yet she didn't see her die, that's Irma Menkel. Janny probably felt more attached to Anne and Margot and the sheets were meant as a caring gesture.

As for typhus: Even though Auschwitz had delousing chambers, tons of lice would have still been there considering the camp was built over a swamp, and the cold conditions year round would make lots of inmates sick. Anne states herself in her diary she had(s) a weaker immune system then others. Even if it was worse in Bergen Belsen, it was just as bad in Birkenau, where Anne would have most likely gotten it.

[Red]

Hanneli Pick-Gosler also claims she encountered Anne at Bergen Belsen. Irma Menkel said she seen her fall sick with typhus whilst there. Where is this white sheet thing coming from. I looked her up and nothing?

[The Don]

Generally it's in good taste for someone to offer evidence to the contrary when disputing something, not the other way round. Unless you have some evidence (evidence, not illogical and poorly thought-out rebuttals) that Anne Frank didn't die in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp then it's really a nonissue.

[FlyingJesus]

In 1945 when Janny Brandes contacted Otto Frank that both Anne and Margot died and that they buried their bodies, Otto Frank made no attempt to try and find their bodies, ever. Not even until he died

brb, digging up my daughter's corpse! Not something I'd do either...

-Despite being given credible info from Irma Menkel and Janny Brandes, it still took Miep Gies nearly 10 years to have her death on paper.

So proper notation and fact checking are now reasons NOT to believe?

-Auschwitz was a factory of typhus and starvation deaths. Typhus was so rampant in the camp that pesticide had to be used to somewhat control it, but it still caused people to die. If Anne Frank died of typhus, she died in Auschwitz

Heart disease is the number 1 killer in the US, therefore if I die from cardiovascular troubles I died in America

-After the war, the diary of Margot Frank went missing and has never been found - where did it go? The Nazis, nor Otto Frank and any of the helper took it, so who does that leave? Anne and Margot.

I have no idea where my amazing year 7 story book that I wrote is, doesn't mean I'm currently living in Colombia or something

You really love attacking me, don't you?

No I just like tapping on keys and making words happen, I'm not attacking you at all

[MightyMagician]

Hanneli Pick-Gosler also claims she encountered Anne at Bergen Belsen. Irma Menkel said she seen her fall sick with typhus whilst there. Where is this white sheet thing coming from. I looked her up and nothing?

I'll start here: I'm well aware Anne and Hanneli talked by the fence, I've already debunked it in my older thread (partially), since t doesn't match Irma's testimony. Irma Menkel is the definitive person who allegedly saw Anne die, in her arms. It's explicitly detailed in an interview you can find by googling her. The very notion that Anne got typhus in Bergen Belsen is not credible, since Anne's weak immune system made her just as susceptible to the disease in Auschwitz Birkenau, but people claim it was Bergen Belsen. Whoops - looks like everyone who saw Anne get sick have been lying.

As for a reference for the sheet: I read this long before I made the original thread and is a real pain trying to find it again. The good news is that I can always have the Anne Frank Museum confirm this, which I have already emailed them. 2 other kids, however, were wrapped in the same manner.

Pic: http://tinyurl.com/o7jruyz
Daily Mail Article that confirms Anne was wrapped in blankets to begin with: http://tinyurl.com/oujuc92

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Generally it's in good taste for someone to offer evidence to the contrary when disputing something, not the other way round. Unless you have some evidence (evidence, not illogical and poorly thought-out rebuttals) that Anne Frank didn't die in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp then it's really a nonissue.

If you want me to dig that hard and find dead bang evidence that she's alive, you need to first tell me who you are and how you know my real name. You claim my rebuttals are nonsense when it's simply common sense, yeah okay man. I'm sure if there's proof she's dead though, you can find it.

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brb, digging up my daughter's corpse! Not something I'd do either...

Soby your logic, proper burial for wife but leave kids in the ground? Wow, that's really cold of both you and him, I guess.

So proper notation and fact checking are now reasons NOT to believe?

Credible info was given to everyone that the Red Cross could have used. If they couldn't make an effort to find the bodies, they still could have signed a death certificate in 1945.

Heart disease is the number 1 killer in the US, therefore if I die from cardiovascular troubles I died in America

You can't catch heart disease now, can you?

I have no idea where my amazing year 7 story book that I wrote is, doesn't mean I'm currently living in Colombia or something

After the war Anne and Margot wanted their diaries to be used as documentation, but with the trauma of the camps, I'd hide my diary too.

No I just like tapping on keys and making words happen, I'm not attacking you at all

You don't need ad-hominem to debate me.

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My replies to FlyingJesus accidentally ended in the quote since IDK how to multi-quote. Can someone fix this for me?

[FlyingJesus]

There is no ad hominem there, I haven't said anything about you. And you're still seemingly trying to claim that anyone with a certain disease can only have it from one place, which is ridiculous