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Originally Posted by Immenseman

If they were always visible then you'd constantly see them. This can even be proven. I don't have many infractions/warnings because I constantly see them. The fact remains user notes are there from September time are too long. I have been punished with a ban (I never had a caution like you said was the first step) so half of my user notes should be eradicated as I have been punished for them. Although, one moderator told me user notes aren't punishments - so what am I supposed to believe?!

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*cries*

Okay I will try one more time to clear this one up if I can't then I will officially give up on explaining usernotes.

Okay so first understand these fundamentals.

Usernotes are not a punishment they are logs.

Usernotes log PM's or other information we deem pertinent to the moderation of a user but 95% of the times they are just a record of the PM's sent to a user.

Lets assume this to be a school playground environment with several teachers and several students.

A PM = Verbal action
Usernote = Behaviour Card


Billy pushes over Johnny, then Miss Jones checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to state she has verbally told off Billy.

Later Billy hits Johnny, Miss Smith checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to say she has verbally told off Billy


Finally Billy takes Johnny's lunch, Miss Doe checks the "behaviour card" and then punishes Billy with a detention for bullying Johnny.

Because Miss Doe knows from the "Behaviour Card" that Jones and Smith have both verbally told of Billy for his behaviour.


The usernote itself is not a punishment, but the gaining of too many usernotes will ultimately lead to a punishment.

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

If I could see everything that I had done in front of me I wouldn't exactly be proud of it. It would prompt me to be better behaved to ensure I don't break the rules. How can I have numerous usernotes on the same offence without getting a warning/infraction about it is beyond me.

Maybe if the system was used properly then it wouldn't be so bad. It hasn't been and never will be. User notes should either be scrapped or allow users to see them.

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You have infractions but and you still break the rules?? You can see them..

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Originally Posted by Jin

*cries*

Okay I will try one more time to clear this one up if I can't then I will officially give up on explaining usernotes.

Okay so first understand these fundamentals.

Usernotes are not a punishment they are logs.

Usernotes log PM's or other information we deem pertinent to the moderation of a user but 95% of the times they are just a record of the PM's sent to a user.

Lets assume this to be a school playground environment with several teachers and several students.

A PM = Verbal action
Usernote = Behaviour Card


Billy pushes over Johnny, then Miss Jones checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to state she has verbally told off Billy.

Later Billy hits Johnny, Miss Smith checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to say she has verbally told off Billy


Finally Billy takes Johnny's lunch, Miss Doe checks the "behaviour card" and then punishes Billy with a detention for bullying Johnny.

Because Miss Doe knows from the "Behaviour Card" that Jones and Smith have both verbally told of Billy for his behaviour.


The usernote itself is not a punishment, but the gaining of too many usernotes will ultimately lead to a punishment.

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If that's how it worked, it'd be great. That's not how it's being used so it isn't great, hence the thread. I should have been told I had too many and they were going to result in a ban rather then being sent a PM telling me I already had too many. Poor.

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Originally Posted by mwah

You have infractions but and you still break the rules?? You can see them..

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Which supports my point nicely. I have 23 user notes because I can't see them. I have a whole 20 less infractions. I have 3 - because I can see them, simple.

But here is what I don't understand jake.

Is that we PM you, and the PM details becomes the usernote so why must we show you the PM again in the format of a usernote?

That is like saying when we ban you and you have your reason and date/time it will expire we then allow you to view your Ban log.

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Originally Posted by Jin

But here is what I don't understand jake.

Is that we PM you, and the PM details becomes the usernote so why must we show you the PM again in the format of a usernote?

That is like saying when we ban you and you have your reason and date/time it will expire we then allow you to view your Ban log.

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Being technical manager I'm sure you understand you can't keep all your PMs. When I resigned as staff I had to delete every single one. If they were shown on your User CP then you would see them on a regular basis.

I don't check my PMs every day because I no longer get or send them on a regular basis. However, if they were with infractions - I would see them and be reminded. This can be proven, like I have said. I have 23 user notes but 3 infractions. Why? Because I see my infractions on a daily basis.

Or you could just scrap the user note system and revert back to warnings/infractions. There will be no excuses for people getting banned. I'm bewildered as to why I was allowed to build up so many user notes without being informed. Sure I had PMs - but they didn't say user notes were added.

I assure you some new users don't even know the user notes system exists. That isn't good enough considering it is used to hand out negative sanctions on individual members.

You will still break the rules if you saw them probley, only last night rosie removed 2 of your posts because they were rude...

Was that after or before you found out you had them :rolleyes:

It's not used to hand out negative sanctions itself, it's to record the negative sanctions (PM's, warnings, infractions).

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Originally Posted by mwah

You will still break the rules if you saw them probley, only last night rosie removed 2 of your posts because they were rude...

Was that after or before you found out you had them :rolleyes:

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Don't comment on things you don't know about. She also sent me and Jen a PM telling us although it was a private joke it was inappropriate. This is exactly why you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

You can get off your high horse too. You were banned earlier this week so don't try and degrade me because to be quite frank it isn't going to work when you post utter rubbish without even a vague understanding. I'd understand if it was about the moderation system because you wouldn't be alone. Nobody seems to understand how they work.

You are not being banned will you PLEASE GIVE UP.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

Since when have you cared about the forum?

On topic:

Hxf should just follow Something Awful in ban/warnings etc.

Have probations and bans, probations stop you posting for a certain amount of time, and bans obviously ban you. Also have all bans/probations public so people get the extra humiliation and are discouraged from doing it again.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

No, it's not public and it's not hard enough.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

You are not being banned will you PLEASE GIVE UP.

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changed your tune ;)

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

Don't comment on things you don't know about. She also sent me and Jen a PM telling us although it was a private joke it was inappropriate. This is exactly why you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

You can get off your high horse too. You were banned earlier this week so don't try and degrade me because to be quite frank it isn't going to work when you post utter rubbish without even a vague understanding. I'd understand if it was about the moderation system because you wouldn't be alone. Nobody seems to understand how they work.

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He learnt from his ban though, he hasn't put a foot out of line since.

Yeah you are right you will need to delete your PM's at some point but I really am struggling to comprehend the sort of mind someone must have that they must be able to view everything that they have done wrong in the past so they remember to never do it again.

Kind of contradictory as I am certain you did say you know the forum rules.

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

changed your tune ;)

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No I just think you're being an annoying git, give up and go about your business because the only people caring about whatever the hell is going on (i have no idea) is you.

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Originally Posted by invincible

He learnt from his ban though, he hasn't put a foot out of line since.

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I haven't since I got the PM last night from Garion. Sure I might have had a user note adding but that was from a post before the PM.

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Originally Posted by Jin

Yeah you are right you will need to delete your PM's at some point but I really am struggling to comprehend the sort of mind someone must have that they must be able to view everything that they have done wrong in the past so they remember to never do it again.

Kind of contradictory as I am certain you did say you know the forum rules.

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I do know the forum rules. However, if you read the point that followed the statement of me knowing the forum rules you wouldn't have any trouble. I really am struggling to comprehend the sort of mind someone must have if they remember what they want to as and when they wish.

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Originally Posted by JewishBear

No I just think you're being an annoying git, give up and go about your business because the only people caring about whatever the hell is going on (i have no idea) is you.

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I know I'm right. Read through the read you'll realise that other people share the same opinion and aren't sure why user notes were re-implemented when they were discontinued. Someone else seeing what they want to see. Until someone produces a point that is flawless then I will continue to reply. HabboxForum is a forum, forums are to discuss. I am discussing. It's cute you have to resort to insulting me just because I'm right.

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

I haven't since I got the PM last night from Garion. Sure I might have had a user note adding but that was from a post before the PM.


I do know the forum rules. However, if you read the point that followed the statement of me knowing the forum rules you wouldn't have any trouble. I really am struggling to comprehend the sort of mind someone must have if they remember what they want to as and when they wish.

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You make a fair point with your former comment, you have behaved since Garion spoke to you & yes your usernote is for a post from before the PM - why don't you keep it that way & you won't have any trouble will you.

May I add that at this point you still don't know what the usernotes are for and you have managed to behave not knowing what the usernotes say, therefore evidently you don't need to see your usernotes to behave, at the end of the day you need one thing to behave, and that's called a list of forum rules, which can be found here.

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

I know I'm right. Read through the read you'll realise that other people share the same opinion and aren't sure why user notes were re-implemented when they were discontinued. Someone else seeing what they want to see. Until someone produces a point that is flawless then I will continue to reply. HabboxForum is a forum, forums are to discuss. I am discussing. It's cute you have to resort to insulting me just because I'm right.

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You aren't discussing you are whining and if you keep whining someone is going to get bored and you will be banned and then you will be happy, no?

Yeah okay, well I have decided that this thread is going nowhere for the following reasons.

1. The thread starters understanding of usernotes is evidently not clear.
2. The constructive points put forward in this thread are either already in effect or hold no relevant purpose.
3. This thread seems more to be for personal gain as oppose to for the greater of the community.
4. All points in this thread have been addressed by a member of staff at least once and now we seem to be going around in circles.
5. This thread is becoming an argument.

As a result.

Thread Closed

I would have added a 6th reason probably along the lines of you being full of it and suffering from a serious case of the God complex but then I thought that there isn't a point you would probably take it as a complement and shortly it would be followed by some sort of MSN screen name comment.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

I haven't since I got the PM last night from Garion.

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BANG! My PM (and usernote that I added after...) served it's purpose :).

Jin has effectively summarised my opinions here. Matt and I are also going to be revamping the Moderation Guide to ensure your Moderators provide the best possible service.